Help! Loud drummer, feedback issues, not hearing vocals....

WardEarth

WardEarth

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Edited this post due to number of responses. Only looking for video clips of drummers playing fast fills
At half volume. Asking too much for us to be able to adjust for super tight spaces and still play fast rock?

Honest help/feedback will be the most appreciated and if you have any clips of you or anyone else playing heavy rock without ear plugs in tight places and still sounding good I'd like to listen/watch. Plz no BS and fire the drummer comments, I like the guy.
 
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The most important thing is to have a drummer or other players that are committed to a practical level of volume. If you don't have that than you are screwed with your current band. I have quit a couple of bands where the drummer wouldn't recognize he maintained the volume floor - f 'em. My current band is committed to hearing vocals and not giving everyone permanent ear ringing. It's extreme, but, we use Ziljian Gen16 cymbals (quiet cymbals that have a guitar like pickup) to keep the stage and practice volume workable.
 
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tshapiro said:
The most important thing is to have a drummer or other players that are committed to a practical level of volume. If you don't have that than you are screwed with your current band. I have quit a couple of bands where the drummer wouldn't recognize he maintained the volume floor - f 'em. My current band is committed to hearing vocals and not giving everyone permanent ear ringing. It's extreme, but, we use Ziljian Gen16 cymbals (quiet cymbals that have a guitar like pickup) to keep the stage and practice volume workable.
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I was just looking at those and they sound nice but also significantly different from the recordings I was listening to. Its probably going to come down to my drummer and ya it might make or break whether I'm staying or trying to get him ousted.
 
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tshapiro said:
The most important thing is to have a drummer or other players that are committed to a practical level of volume. If you don't have that than you are screwed with your current band. I have quit a couple of bands where the drummer wouldn't recognize he maintained the volume floor - f 'em. My current band is committed to hearing vocals and not giving everyone permanent ear ringing. It's extreme, but, we use Ziljian Gen16 cymbals (quiet cymbals that have a guitar like pickup) to keep the stage and practice volume workable.
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Those Gen16 cymbals are new to me. I just spent the last 15 minutes going down a youtube rabbit hole checking those out. That's really interesting tech.
 
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They play and sound really good. Totally cool bc you don't need to mic them, especially the hi hat, and you can have them in your IEM or PA at whatever volume you want (or don't want).

Once you address the cymbals, the snare is the other loud component. We use electronic for practice - Roland dedicated snare pad - its bigger than normal and plays very authentically.
 
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You vocalist(s) need "stoopid loud band" microphones like the OM7 or (my fav) N/D967 .
N/D967 Premium High SPL Dynamic Vocal Microphone by Electro‑Voice

Oh, and even with my "pushed" 30 watt tube amp setting the max volume for a rehearsal (moderate rock band) I wear earplugs and the vocalist just started - Gui****s and drum**** already deaf LOL. Seriously, drummer just got the results of a hearing test for work :(
 
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WardEarth said:
Ive played with some great bands and drummers that knew how to control their sound. That prob won't happen unless they learn to play at reasonable levels. And I really don't think that can happen with earplugs in.
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Been there, done that, lost the fight - you really can't fix stoopid loud drum****s and gui****s. Fortunately (?) sounds like you play a genre where the audience is already deaf and/or wants to be - so earplug up, get microphones that don't feed back, and rock on :D.
 
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RoadRanger said:
Been there, done that, lost the fight - you really can't fix stoopid loud drum****s and gui****s. Fortunately (?) sounds like you play a genre where the audience is already deaf and/or wants to be - so earplug up, get microphones that don't feed back, and rock on :D.
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I jammed once with a drummer who was stone deaf. His jamspace had a PA set up with two cabs hanging above his kit, pointing at him! This was so he could hear the vocal line to follow along to the song changes. I felt bad for him, too many years of unprotected ears.
 
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