How to get started?

Something that helped propel me was once I went through the scales and chords, explore diatonic chords and chord progression. I learned a lot from the fretjam site and other google results for them.

Here's a blurb I wrote up (mostly for myself and my friend) to help explain Diatonic chords and progressions - The "Hit Song Formula". I figured adding it here would help in case you don't find the great sites I did. Note this is slightly more for the "intermediate" level, after you've started feeling comfortable with chords and scales.

Most guitarists/bassists learn chords and scales, but few learn about the connection between the two. Diatonic chords are the chords that are derived from the notes of a key. Each note of the key serves as a root note for a chord; therefore, each key has 7 basic diatonic chords. In other words, they are different chords using only notes from one scale... so for example, if you use only notes from C Major, but to construct not only C chords! So if you make a D chord using only notes from C Major, you would get D minor, and here's why:

In a D Major chord, the third would be F#. The C Major scale includes F (not F#) so in terms of the D chord, it's third is flat, making it minor. If you continue to construct chords in this way, using only notes from the same scale every time, the chords would all be considered "diatonic", and the coolest thing is you could solo over top in the key (in this case C Major or A minor, the related minor scale to C Major which uses all the same notes) and even while the rest of the band moves through the chord progression, the solo will always sound "in key"!

References (each is an excellent read):
http://www.studybass.com/lessons/harmony/intro-to-diatonic-chords/
http://www.fretjam.com/guitar-chord-progressions.html
http://www.fretjam.com/chord-scales-guitar.html
http://musictheorysite.com/creating-diatonic-chord-progressions
 
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Book Review -
I found the above book (Bass for Dummies) only mildly helpful.
Wanted to keep just a couple of the pages when I had finished.
Seems like one of those things that should be continually sold used for
$4 amongst TalkBass members. You buy it for $4 and then just sell it again
when you've read it. On second thought.... I better read it again.

Hopefully more people benefit from it.

Just found out about this guy. Jerry Jemmot

I'm curious about his learning products.
 
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I found the above book (Bass for Dummies) only mildly helpful.
Wanted to keep just a couple of the pages when I had finished.
Seems like one of those things that should be continually sold used for
$4 amongst TalkBass members. You buy it for $4 and then just sell it again
when you've read it. On second thought.... I better read it again.

Hopefully more people benefit from it.

Just found out about this guy. Jerry Jemmot

I'm curious about his learning products.

When I started on guitar I was Guitarnoise.com where David Hodge who wrote The Complete Idiots Guide To Bass Guitar was on staff so I got that series instead of the For Dummies book. Along with the Hal Leonard Method which I used for the exercises the Idiots Guide was more a role of the bass type of book for me. As I progressed over the years I still go back to it as a check and reference. However it is the first edition and it felt like a draft with typos and it doesn't have the CD locations in the main text but rather in an appendix. I hope it has been corrected since then.

I also have the Jerry Jemmott Blues and R&B Bass Techniques book and for me his improvisations and fills instead of the basic shuffles and patterns were to much for me as I was just getting started. Also unlike Ed Friedland's Blues Bass book he did not have the rights to the standard songs so he is giving a lot of in the spirit of examples. So that book went the library for a while before I came back to it better prepared for what Jemmott was passing on to us.
 
Another vote for focusing on basic hand position and technique first, before getting too much into theory or learning songs. One important reason for this is that the more you practice using bad technique, the more bad habits you will develop (it doesn't take long!) and have to un-learn later. Remember, every time you practice something incorrectly, you're learning how to play incorrectly.
 
practice scales, modes , learn some theory regarding melody and harmony . you might want to get a guitar tuner as it helps to always be in tune. you might poo whoo the idea of learning scales as I did when I was first learning ,but I soon come realised that the learning and the playing of scales and modes helps you a great deal with things like hand eye coordination muscle memory and training your ear . also learn old school 12 bar blues riffs rock n roll and walking bass lines and even country music bass lines ,as the more you know the better you will become .
 
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Something that helped propel me was once I went through the scales and chords, explore diatonic chords and chord progression. I learned a lot from the fretjam site and other google results for them.

Here's a blurb I wrote up (mostly for myself and my friend) to help explain Diatonic chords and progressions - The "Hit Song Formula". I figured adding it here would help in case you don't find the great sites I did. Note this is slightly more for the "intermediate" level, after you've started feeling comfortable with chords and scales.

Thanks for the links ! I will review them all.

Most guitarists/bassists learn chords and scales, but few learn about the connection between the two. Diatonic chords are the chords that are derived from the notes of a key. Each note of the key serves as a root note for a chord; therefore, each key has 7 basic diatonic chords. In other words, they are different chords using only notes from one scale... so for example, if you use only notes from C Major, but to construct not only C chords! So if you make a D chord using only notes from C Major, you would get D minor, and here's why:

In a D Major chord, the third would be F#. The C Major scale includes F (not F#) so in terms of the D chord, it's third is flat, making it minor. If you continue to construct chords in this way, using only notes from the same scale every time, the chords would all be considered "diatonic", and the coolest thing is you could solo over top in the key (in this case C Major or A minor, the related minor scale to C Major which uses all the same notes) and even while the rest of the band moves through the chord progression, the solo will always sound "in key"!

References (each is an excellent read):
Intro to Diatonic Chords | Harmony | StudyBass
Guitar Chord Progressions - Turn Chords Into Songs
Understand Chord Scales for Guitar - How to Get Chords from Scales
Creating Diatonic Chord Progressions | Music Theory Site
 
Hi Everyone,
I'm Toby, and I'm about as new to this forum as I am to learning bass guitar! I picked up a bass for the first time a few days ago (its a friends 4-string, and his amp that I'm borrowing). So far, just to keep me occupied, I've tried learning the bass lines to a few songs (so far I've done Smells like Teen spirit, Rock me like a Hurricane, Seven Nation Army, Kryptonite (3 Doors Down)). However, I wanted to know what the most sensible approach to actually learning to play this instrument is. Should I just keep learning and improving bass covers, or should I divert from those and do exercises and scales and so on?

Any tips and pointers to help me get started on this new instrument are greatly appreciated!

Also, sorry if there already are threads like this. I did a quick search in the forums, but found only threads either about beginner gear or beginner theory. So, I'm sorry if I missed any threads...

And, about myself: right now, to start off I'm playing easy rock songs. My own musical tastes are mostly in metal. Mostly Heavy, as well as some Melodic Death and Folk Metal. So these are probably also the genres I would want to start to head towards playing in the future.
 
Like a virgin,touched for the very 1st time! Lol.1st of all IMO if you really want to learn,you've got to be serious&dedicated,it will also consume lots of time which you say you have.I am a old retired with lots of time to learn I've got about 6months of 12-15hrs a day.old people don't need much sleep anyway.if you have kids and or old lady becareful not to neglect them of time.like the previous guy said i wished i would've learned to read music1st if I were younger,its all about what you want.have fun,guitar maybe one of your bf too!
 
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Depending on where to go from the start depends on what your goals are. Do you just wanna play your favorite songs on bass or do you want to be a professional? Depending on your choice can lead you down two very different roads. If you want to just learn songs then learning tablature and having fun is all you truly need. If you want to be a professional, you best learn scales, chords, work on your chops, and become great at sight reading.
 
Just want to say thank you so much for this thread. I've been happily playing bad punk, root note based stuff for years, and it's fair to say my playing style has been akin to that of a road crash in slow motion.

But, I'm at that age where I've decided to try and actually learn some to understand this thing...

I'm picking songs I like, ducks stuff etc, and banging on with that. But the info here is worth a ton of gold... I can see me reading just this thread once a day.

Brilliant
 
Welcome \m/
I'm also a relatively new bassist (playing since about 6-8 months ago). Here are a few tips I think you might find useful.

- I'm a metalhead also, but I've also tried to learn some funk/slap style songs via tablature and suggest you try the same once you understand the basics. I'd recommend in particular Flashlight, by Parliament, Higher Ground, by Red Hot Chilli Peppers, and Take the Power Back by RATM. Branching out to other genres means you're less likely to get tired of playing or lose interest if your enthusiasm for heavy metal happens to disappear later in life. It also teaches you good rhythm which is useful in every genre, metal included.

- Learning scales and arpeggios of various modes/tonalities is a great way to build dexterity in your left hand and prepare for writing your own bass lines eventually.

- Lessons are a good option, but if you want to teach yourself, you can find a ton of helpful books on the subject at a public library or a bookstore. In particular, I recommend "Bass Guitar for Dummies" by Patrick Pfeiffer. Very informative, and not at all boring to read. It also covers all the sub-topics you would ever need, saving you the time of getting various books. It also covers how to select your own bass when the time comes, and how to take care of the instruments so they sound great and last for a long time. A DVD that I found at my public library that has proved very useful (especially for a heavy metal fan) is "Modern Metal Bass: constructing bass lines" hosted by John Moyer of Disturbed. He covers a lot of things to help you in a band environment as well as basic bass technique.

- I'm sure this goes without saying, but practice a lot. You can never play too much, especially when starting out.

I hope that helps. Best of luck![/QUOTE]
 
Here is some more things I wish I had when I first started. Print this off and file it away in your reference folder. What, you do not have a reference folder? Start one.

OK -- first things first. Until we understand the Major and minor scale -- which notes are in each scale and the difference in a scale and a key -- most of the stuff you read on the internet will only take you so far before a brick wall comes into the picture. Those Internet bits and pieces of information assume you already understand this, and with out this basic knowledge everything will keep being Jell-O.

No way you can remember all this. File it away so when you need it you know where to go get it.

How can the following help you? The band director says; "Next one is Kiss Ole Kate, we'll do it in G ready 1 & 2 & 3..... OK you need to know the notes and chords in the scale/key of G and have some sheet music or chord charts on Kiss Ole Kate that you can use.

The melody instruments will play notes of the G scale and the harmony instruments (which we are one) will play notes of the chords made from the G scale notes. So it kinda helps if you know what those notes and or chords are -- or have some way of remembering then.


Having the notes of the Major and Natural minor scale all on one page is hard to find. That is why I've listed them below.

Major Scale Chart 221-2221 Major Key I,ii,iii,IV,V,vi,viidim
Interval number 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
C major scale.....C D E F G A B........................Notice how each scale has different
G Major scale.....G A B C D E F#......................notes. C has no sharps or flats and
D Major scale.....D E F# G A B C#....................the E major scale has 4 sharps. I've
Etc, etc. ............A B C# D E F# G#.................given you some memory pegs below
........................E F# G# A B C# D#...............so you will not have to rely upon this
........................B C# D# E F# G# A#.............scale chart all the time.
........................F# G# A# B C# D# E#
........................C# D# E# F# G# A# B#
........................F G A Bb C D E
........................Bb C D Eb F G A
........................Eb F G Ab Bb C D
........................Ab Bb C Db Eb F G
........................Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C
........................Gb Ab Bb Cb Db Eb F
........................Cb Db Eb Fb Gb Ab Bb

Natural Minor Scale Chart 212-2122 Natural Minor Key i,iidim,III,iv,v,VI,VII
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
A B C D E F G
E F# G A B C D
B C# D E F# G A
F# G# A B C# D E
C# D# E F# G# A B
G# A# B C# D# E F#
D# E# F# G# A# B C#
A# B# C# D# E# F# G#
D E F G A Bb C
G A Bb C D Eb F
C D Eb F G Ab Bb
F G Ab Bb C Db Eb
Bb C Db Eb F Gb Ab
Eb F Gb Ab Bb Cb Db
Ab Bb Cb Db Eb Fb Gb

Print this off and use it as a reference as you study the rest of this post.

Everything we do in Western music (Western part of the World) is based on the Major scale. To understand it we really have to start with the chromatic scale. -- C, C#/Db, D, D#/Eb, E, F, F#/Gb, G, G#/Ab, A, A#/Bb, B, C.
12 sounds that start over again at the 13th (C) with another octave of the same. Understand C#/Db is one sound, thus one note with two names. They are the in-between sounds - the black keys on the piano. Notice it's not every other one -- E does not have a # or sharped note nor does B. Why not? That will drive you crazy, just accept it and keep going.

At the begining of the Major Scale Chart notice the "phone number" 221-2221. This phone number is the tone, half tone structure I'm sure you have heard of. I remember the phone number easier than Tone, Tone, Half Tone, Tone, Tone, Tone, Half Tone. Use which ever one lifts your kilt. This phone number is your memory peg to help you decide what notes are in each Major scale. Take any note - let's use C to start with. Apply the phone number looking at the chromatic scale - C go up two notes to D now go up two more notes to E, now go up one note to F continue on going up two notes to G then two more to A then two more to B then one to C.

That is the C Major Scale. C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C. Now do that same thing for the G scale and you end up with one sharp note, the F#. The D scale ends up with two sharps the F# you already have and the C#. Continue on and you will have built the full Major scale -- just by applying that "magic phone number"

Next thing written at the top of the Major Scale chart is something called Major Key I,ii,iii,IV,V,vi,viidim,I. --- Upper case will be major chords and the lower case will be minor chords. That is the key structure cheat sheet, memory peg, what ever you want to call it -- that will tell you what chords are in a certain key. Remember scales have notes and keys have chords. That is no exactly correct, but, for now close enough for our study. Let's use the D scale and find what chords are in the key of D.

Structure.. I,. ii,... iii,... IV, V,.vi, viidim,..... I
D scale =.. D, E,.. F#,... G, A,. B,.. C#,....... D
Key of D = D, Em, F#m, G, A, Bm, C#dim,.. D --- notice the F# note becomes a F#m chord. and the E note is now a Em chord. A key will have three Major chords, three minor chords and one diminished chord. Every key will have this same number of Major, minor and diminished chords.

The band director says; "OK, the next song will be in D". The solo instruments will select their solo notes from the D scale and the accompaniment instruments will use the key of D for their chords. And Yes if the bassists will be playing accompaniment he/she will gather their notes from the active chord for their bass lines. R-R-R-R or R-5 or what ever fits with this song.

Now look at the minor scale chart. Notice the phone number is different and the key structure is also different. Apply these the same way as you did for the Major scale -- they being different is what gives the minor sound.

Notice something else -- the first column of the minor scale is the same as the 6th column in the Major scale. The 2nd minor scale column is the same as the 7th Major scale column. The third minor scale column is the same as the 1st Major scale column, etc, etc, etc. Just something to keep in mind when you start studing relative minors etc.

Some memory pegs that will help you remember things on the fly:
  • See God Destroy All Earth By F#iry C#aos. Is the order of scales that have sharps in them. C has none, G has 1, D has 2, E has 4, etc.
  • Fat Cats Go Down Alleys Eating Birds. Is the order of the sharps in the sharp scales. C has none, G has one the F# (fat) D has 2, the F# and the C# (cats), etc.
  • Farmer Brown Eats Apple Dumplings Greasly Cooked. Is the order of the scales that have flats in them. F has one, the Bb, Bb keeps itself and adds the Eb. Eb keeps itself, the Bb and adds the Ab. Notice how it builds from Farmer Brown Eats Apples, etc.
Use these memory pegs:

See God Destroy All Earth By F#iry C#aos
Fat Cats Go Down Alleys Eating Birds
Farmer Brown Eats Apple Dumplings Greasly Cooked

The lymiric See God Destroy... and Farmer Brown .... can be used to remember the Circle of 5ths order which can be used to help you with chord progressions.

I've just given you the basic foundation of Western Music.
The Major Scale and which scales have what notes.
What notes are sharped and which notes are flatted.
The Major Key structure and which chords are in each key.
Which chords are Major chords, which are minor chords and which one is the minor diminished chord.

We really only do three things with our instruments. We make either, scales, chords or arpeggios. Perhaps you now understand scales and chords a little better ------ now go on the Internet and learn how to use scales and chords. Dirt simple logic; scales are for the melody, chords are for the harmony. If the melody notes and the notes of the chords share some of the same notes we get harmonization. That is how music thinks.

Quiz; Under a C major chord what bass line will fit while that C chord is active?
Answer; the notes of the C major chord. Question; what are the notes of the C major chord? Answer; the Root, 3rd scale degree and the 5th scale degree, i.e. C, E, G notes. Where on your fretboard is the C, E and G notes? And this brings us back to my first post.

I glued a picture of the Circle of 5th on my first instrument so I could sneak a peak when ever I needed some help. Help yourself to one of these; https://www.google.com/search?q=circle of 5ths&tbm=isch&imgil=-Cp5KlJsP5zt8M:;I8U63V4ACDlOIM;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths&source=iu&usg=__-Kc9TEx--CrzNNE9fqgJVtYOsyE=&sa=X&ei=9zH6U-S5BIinyAS-wIGYDw&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQ9QEwAQ&biw=1041&bih=531#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=-Cp5KlJsP5zt8M:;I8U63V4ACDlOIM;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Circle_of_fifths_deluxe_4.svg/1024px-Circle_of_fifths_deluxe_4.svg.png;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths;1024;1024

It's a circle - put the scale name, or tonic chord name you want at 12:00 O'clock. The three major chords, or scale notes are outside the circle. The three minor chords or scale notes are inside the circle and the diminished chord or scale note is inside just to the right of the last minor chord. Chords or notes works the same.

Have fun, it is a journey. Little today, little more tomorrow... When you are comfortable with this it then will be time to study chord progressions and harmony. First things first...
Welcome \m/
I'm also a relatively new bassist (playing since about 6-8 months ago). Here are a few tips I think you might find useful.

- I'm a metalhead also, but I've also tried to learn some funk/slap style songs via tablature and suggest you try the same once you understand the basics. I'd recommend in particular Flashlight, by Parliament, Higher Ground, by Red Hot Chilli Peppers, and Take the Power Back by RATM. Branching out to other genres means you're less likely to get tired of playing or lose interest if your enthusiasm for heavy metal happens to disappear later in life. It also teaches you good rhythm which is useful in every genre, metal included.

- Learning scales and arpeggios of various modes/tonalities is a great way to build dexterity in your left hand and prepare for writing your own bass lines eventually.

- Lessons are a good option, but if you want to teach yourself, you can find a ton of helpful books on the subject at a public library or a bookstore. In particular, I recommend "Bass Guitar for Dummies" by Patrick Pfeiffer. Very informative, and not at all boring to read. It also covers all the sub-topics you would ever need, saving you the time of getting various books. It also covers how to select your own bass when the time comes, and how to take care of the instruments so they sound great and last for a long time. A DVD that I found at my public library that has proved very useful (especially for a heavy metal fan) is "Modern Metal Bass: constructing bass lines" hosted by John Moyer of Disturbed. He covers a lot of things to help you in a band environment as well as basic bass technique.

- I'm sure this goes without saying, but practice a lot. You can never play too much, especially when starting out.

I hope that helps. Best of luck!
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After playing and self study, finding a qualified teacher. Can help you climb over that hurtle and move forward. The internet and videos are a great source available at your fingertips. A program I have extremely useful is "Ireal pro". It has songs of all styles and gives you drums and bass and instruments to practice with. Have fun with it. You are starting a journey that can last a lifetime.
 
Lots of good information above

Just to add,
Start learning the fundamentals and basic stuff

Learning to pluck open strings, slowly and with even timing is the starting point

And then working on left hand fretting etc

It is not uncommon for people to skip past all the basics and it always shows in their playing down the track

If you learn to play basic things on the bass well from the start then any covers or songs you learn later will sound better

There is an old saying, walk before you run

And learning to 'walk' on a bass is one of the most important and hardest things to ever master, irrespective of a persons musical preferences

Be it metal or whatever ...it takes s lot of work and patience is very important

A teacher is a good starting point
 
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