How to get started?

Hi Toby If you wish to improve your bass playing in the best way possible, I suggest that you find a bass teacher that ONLY TEACHES MUSIC TO READ AND PRACTICE.

I had to make the letter into capitals to show you how important this is. There really isn't any other proven way to improve as a bass player when being taught The only other way that people improve is by being self taught which puts you in charge of what to work on.

Reading music has no equal in musical and playing improvement. It synchs up your mind, eyes, music, hands, and instrument to spark into a unified action of playing the notes on the page. This is perfection in musical improvement! Doing this every day will save you years of wondering how to play your bass.

Again, your teacher should be teaching you music only. I would avoid any bass teacher that mentions the words, "gigs" "groove" "lock with drummers" "metronomes" "communication" or "technique." If you have any questions, write me and I will explain further my thoughts.

Oh, P.S. Learning like this doesn't stop you from listening to any CD of any band and imitating what you hear. IT doesn't stop you from jamming with people either. Reading and practicing is specific to improvement as a bass player.

Best of luck!
I have just got a student who is quite an interesting case. Comes from a very musical family (dad is a producer and the CEO of a massive label and ridiculously good bass player, uncle is noted jazz player, brother is an awesome drummer). She is a classically trained pianist, flautist and classical-style guitarist but has decided to play bass (good girl). Her "issue" is that she can only play if the music is in front of her. She can't improvise or ad lib etc. She can play scales by wrote, but she doesn't really understand why the notes are related to each other. They want me to teach her how to play the instrument and understand it, and not use notation at all. She will be in good stead one day, as she will be able to do both, because her sight reading is excellent, but she will also be able to cope without the instructions in front of her.

On a separate note, my sight reading is seriously poopieE. I got a gig singing tenor in a choir performing Elgar's Dream of Gerontious a couple of years ago, which was absolutely nails, but a helluva good kick up the arse to improve my sight singing.
 
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Therefore when you are trying to lift just the ring finger, the only muscle you have to do this with is the SAME muscle that wants to lift all the fingers. The fact that you are preventing the muscle from acting on all the fingers kind of negates it’s power, making the ring finger weaker.

Not to rekindle the debate but... we press down on frets not up so this fact isn't relevant to fretting hand power only release power which is a return to the rest position of the hand in free air so there is no resistance to power through. That said... play the way that is comfortable to you. If it hurts, stop. If you have to contort your body to follow a standard, don't.
 
What did you use? If tab, there is a better way IMO. Get the chords used in the song and play notes of the active chord - follow the rhythm and play just roots of the active chord first.

When that flows add the 5, R on the first beat and the root's 5th on the third beat. I let Google call up the chord progression for me. Use these search words; chords, name of the song.

With tabs you learn one song. Following the active chord and using notes of that chord you can play thouhsands of songs. Yes you need the chord progression - use Google.

Have fun.
 
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I love reading through all of the forums on talkbass as they are incredibly interesting and helpful. So, I'm struggling with where I'm at as a bass player. I started learning in my 50s. Been at it for about 6 years. I love playing. I actually enjoy practicing too. But I really feel like I'm stuck with being a mediocre player. I've actually grown discouraged and disappointed. I really want to get better. But I still struggle with learning tunes, hearing things the right way, playing certain fingering combinations. I've tried slap, but even through I have practiced it, I'm stull brutal at it. I struggle with creative fills and I feel like I'm still just guessing at a lot of things. I've the chance to gig a few times but I literally kill myself learning playlists. The gigs went well and I had a lot of fun playing them. Admittedly, I was a root note faker on a few tunes because it was challenging to learn what I needed to given the time I had to work with. I'd love to glide up and down the neck, be able to take what is in my mind and translate it to the neck more naturally - fills and all. I'm not sure what I can do at this point to take things to another level. My instructor has been good, and he's patient which I appreciate. I'll take any advice anyone has to offer. Anyone else been through this?
 
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The Hal Leonard Bass Method Complete Edition by Ed Friedland, second edition, comes with a link to the corresponding audio that can be downloaded. And in case you don't already have a player that can do these things, you can also use the player at their website that has variable speed, A-B repeat, a pitch micro-adjustment, and pan L-R, with the bass on the right; you can pan to include it or not.

But here's why I posted, as I haven't seen anyone mention this: the audio totals 3 hours. It's more than I expected. Instructions on how to get there are inside the front cover.

And if you finish this book your reward could be more books by the same author (as discussed in other threads here), and their titles look juicy.

I agreed with the advice at Scott's Bass Lessons, to start by learning the major scale over the whole fretboard, and in every key too. But there are different ways to subdivide that task, and I decided to get there via this book, and to finally learn to read music as I'm doing that.
 
Hi Everyone,
I'm Toby, and I'm about as new to this forum as I am to learning bass guitar! I picked up a bass for the first time a few days ago (its a friends 4-string, and his amp that I'm borrowing). So far, just to keep me occupied, I've tried learning the bass lines to a few songs (so far I've done Smells like Teen spirit, Rock me like a Hurricane, Seven Nation Army, Kryptonite (3 Doors Down)). However, I wanted to know what the most sensible approach to actually learning to play this instrument is. Should I just keep learning and improving bass covers, or should I divert from those and do exercises and scales and so on?

Any tips and pointers to help me get started on this new instrument are greatly appreciated!

Also, sorry if there already are threads like this. I did a quick search in the forums, but found only threads either about beginner gear or beginner theory. So, I'm sorry if I missed any threads...

And, about myself: right now, to start off I'm playing easy rock songs. My own musical tastes are mostly in metal. Mostly Heavy, as well as some Melodic Death and Folk Metal. So these are probably also the genres I would want to start to head towards playing in the future.
That's cool to hear another person out there start down a similar journey. I found a Bass Guitar sitting next to a dumpster a few days ago and I have been working on the notes and scales, but I'm pretty impressed that you are playing songs. I have kinda started a song(if I can Dare to call it that) of my own.
Oh if anyone one list a Bass in the St.Pete area hmu.
 
Hi and welcome to the low end. ;)

As technique and the more practical side to playing has not been mentioned yet...I'll do so. IMO at the early stage you are currently at, it is important to develop a comfortable but SAFE
technique. Doing this will not just help you to play to the best of your potential, but will also help to avoid possible injury problems further down the road. Below are some clips on left and right hand technique.

Also FWIW, I'll offer some practical advice too. When you are starting out, it is tempting to have marathon practice sessions (assuming you have the time). Try to break up your practice sessions into periods of about forty five minutes to start.. Then take a break and come back to it. This not only gives the brain a rest from all the new things to learn, but it also gives the hands/fingers/wrists a chance to adjust slowly to these new tasks being asked of them...not to mention avoiding the dreaded blisters. :smug: Later you can start gradually increasing the practice period while still taking regular breaks. Be patient with yourself and try not to cram in too much too soon, otherwise frustration can set in.

Best of luck with it.


Here are the clips I mentioned earlier :





 
Thanks fearceaol, your instruction on left hand wrist position is very interesting, but I can't get close to a flat wrist unless I use a very short strap and have the neck up near my cheek. Any tips?
 
Welcome to Talkbass. One thing I would suggest is to find yourself a software program that will transpose songs to different keys. I play in churches, and we're forever doing songs in every key imaginable. Once you master a song in its original key, move it up a half step, then another, etc. A bassist who can walk into an audition, and play in any key - you'll have no trouble finding people who want you in their band. To me, that's an invaluable skill.

But yeah, you should know what key you're in.
 
Yes to what has been said. Get a teacher. If you teach yourself your instructor does not know what he is doing. However, if you do teach yourself I'd start you off with knowing where the notes are on your fretboard. Why? So later on when your ear tells you, or you see a chord your fingers know what to do with that information. So lets get started. The following are some things you can work on before you get with a teacher -- that can tell you how to do it correctly.



For this paper we will be referring to notes as A, B, C & 1, 2, 3. For example:

C Major Scale…….....…C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C (octave)
Scale degree number. 1. 2, 3,.4,.5, 6, 7, 8 (octave)


The Major Scale Box Pattern will also be used in our examples.
The Major Scale Box
…...…..Index…..Middle..Ring...Little
G|~~|---A----|-------|---B---|---C---|1st string
D|~~|---E----|---F---|--------|--G----|
A|~~|---B----|---C---|-------|---D----|
E|~~|---------|---G---|-------|---A----| 4th string

C and D played on the A string.
E, F and G played on the D string.
A, B and C played on the G string.

Why did I place the C root note on the A string? If we place the tonic root note of the scale or chord progression on the A string the 4th and 5th scale degrees will be above and below the tonic root note. Why is that important? The I-IV-V chord progression finds its way into hundreds of simple songs. Having the I, IV and V root notes all together in one spot will prove to be an advantage.

Octaves - Playing the root of a chord and just pounding out root notes is safe - and boring. Think about octaves, which is the root in another octave, R-8, or R-8-R-8 or R-R-8-8, safe and simple. Hold on --- the 5 is always right below the 8 so the R-5-8-5 becomes another safe bass line you could get into muscle memory very easily. More on that later when we think in numbers as well as note names.

Any root note’s octave can be found up two strings and over two frets. To simplify this paper “over” will mean move toward the bridge and “back” will mean move toward the nut. OK this will find the 8 or octave note, if you want to return to the 1 note go down two strings and back two frets.

Find a C note. For its octave 8 go up two strings and over two frets. For the tonic 1 note go down two strings and back two frets.

5th fret rule
The A at the 5th fret is the same as the open A string.
The D at the 5th fret is the same as the open D string.
The G at the 5th fret is the same as the open G string.

7th fret rule
E at the 7th fret is the same as the E open string.
A at the 7th fret is the same as the A open string.
D at the 7th fret is the same as the D open string.

Finding the other notes
  • From any note where is its 2? Over two frets same string.
  • From any note where is its 3? Up a string and back one fret.
  • From any note where is its 4? Up a string same fret.
  • From any note where is its 5? Up a string and over two frets, or right below on the next string down, same fret.
  • From any note where is its 6? Up two strings and back one fret. Right over the 3.
  • From any note where is its 7? Up two strings and over one fret. If you want C’s 7th find a C and the 7th is back one fret. This comes in handy when moving back down a scale.
  • From any note where is its 8? Up two strings and over two frets.

Major scale box showing scale degree numbers and the root note on the 4th string.
…...Index...Middle..Ring...Little
G~|---2---|-------|---3---|---4---| 1st string
D~|---6---|-------|---7---|---8---|
A~|---3---|---4---|-------|---5---|
E~|-------|---R---|-------|---2---|4th string

This box, using scale degree numbers instead of note names will allow you to utilize the scale or chord spelling in your bass lines. See a Cmaj7 chord coming up in the song. The spelling for the Cmaj7 is R-3-5-7. Find those scale degrees within the box and you have a safe bass line. Start with just roots, need more add a 5. The 8 is always a safe addition. From there the correct 3 and 7 fill out a bass line very well.

I recommend using the above major scale box, with the root on the E string, to run your scales. About a zillion times should get your fingers going where you want them.

Good luck, and welcome to the bottom end.
 
Another vote for focusing on basic hand position and technique first, before getting too much into theory or learning songs. One important reason for this is that the more you practice using bad technique, the more bad habits you will develop (it doesn't take long!) and have to un-learn later. Remember, every time you practice something incorrectly, you're learning how to play incorrectly.

That's what I'm currently trying to do. I've tried to play guitar off and on since high school(now 49). I've never really taken it seriously and put in the hard work to really learn. As a result, I know a lot of riffs and pieces of songs, etc..., but I wouldn't really say I can play guitar. I know I've developed so many bad habits over the years, it would be hard to "start over". So instead, I decided to start from zero with the bass. Trying to focus on the basics of proper technique, theory, and such so I can really learn to play the instrument. It has been hard to not just print off tabs of songs and just do that, but I know if I do, I'll never really learn. (I have done a few, but mainly doing the basics). Thanks to the info in this thread I have a lot of guidance for direction in learning. I do plan to eventually do actual lessons as soon as I can.
 
Hey guys. I'm new here. I started trying to play about 1.5 years ago in my early 40's. I initially just wanted to cover some Tool songs (mainly) and see where it went. Mainly through YT videos / tabs. Leo Bass Covers is pretty fantastic in this regard, by the way. Using an Ibanez SR300 and a Rumble combo. Since then I have upgraded my equipment (Sterling Stingray 34 / Traynor Small Block + 2x10 cab) and am reasonable at playing, say, 20 Tool songs (not perfect but ok). I'm hooked. The Traynor gear really made a difference over the combo...

Anyway I am under no illusions that this is anything other than just fun. I doubt I will play with anyone else, especially with all this COVID BS going on. Though I think I will try to put the feelers out once it blows over (again for fun).

My questions are: 1) If I am only to play covers at home, is there any point in learning theory? 2) Anyone favor SBL / Bass Buzz, that type of tutor? 3) I love Paul D'Amour's bass riffs on the first two Tool records, they're really interesting to me (Flood, Undertow, Cold and Ugly etc). Love JC's stuff on subsequent stuff too like Schism. I'm a fan of Jaco Pastorius, Cliff Burton, Stuart Zender (Jamiroquai), Geezer B, Steve Harris, Chris Wolstenholme, Chris Squire, Bobby Vega and such. I favor metal / progressive rock but like Funk, Dance, Jazz (ok maybe just Jaco). I can definitely feel like I get better when I learn a new tune, like recently I learned Schism, earlier H. Both make you use all 4 fingers which is great. Long question (sorry) but is there any recommendations for interesting lines ?

At this point I am way better picking than finger plucking. But listening to Geezer Butler on tracks like War Pigs I'm really keen on improving my right hand plucking.
 
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Anyway I am under no illusions that this is anything other than just fun. I doubt I will play with anyone else, especially with all this COVID BS going on. Though I think I will try to put the feelers out once it blows over (again for fun).

My questions are: 1) If I am only to play covers at home, is there any point in learning theory? 2.
Well you have already have the ideal that just maybe you will play with others one day. Even if you don't put out feelers a musician just might visit and a little theory even just Do Rei Me from Julie Andrews and The Sound of Music does get you started
 
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Hey guys. I'm new here. I started trying to play about 1.5 years ago in my early 40's. I initially just wanted to cover some Tool songs (mainly) and see where it went. Mainly through YT videos / tabs. Leo Bass Covers is pretty fantastic in this regard, by the way. Using an Ibanez SR300 and a Rumble combo. Since then I have upgraded my equipment (Sterling Stingray 34 / Traynor Small Block + 2x10 cab) and am reasonable at playing, say, 20 Tool songs (not perfect but ok). I'm hooked. The Traynor gear really made a difference over the combo...

Anyway I am under no illusions that this is anything other than just fun. I doubt I will play with anyone else, especially with all this COVID BS going on. Though I think I will try to put the feelers out once it blows over (again for fun).

My questions are: 1) If I am only to play covers at home, is there any point in learning theory? 2) Anyone favor SBL / Bass Buzz, that type of tutor? 3) I love Paul D'Amour's bass riffs on the first two Tool records, they're really interesting to me (Flood, Undertow, Cold and Ugly etc). Love JC's stuff on subsequent stuff too like Schism. I'm a fan of Jaco Pastorius, Cliff Burton, Stuart Zender (Jamiroquai), Geezer B, Steve Harris, Chris Wolstenholme, Chris Squire, Bobby Vega and such. I favor metal / progressive rock but like Funk, Dance, Jazz (ok maybe just Jaco). I can definitely feel like I get better when I learn a new tune, like recently I learned Schism, earlier H. Both make you use all 4 fingers which is great. Long question (sorry) but is there any recommendations for interesting lines ?

At this point I am way better picking than finger plucking. But listening to Geezer Butler on tracks like War Pigs I'm really keen on improving my right hand plucking.
Once the locals find out you are a bassist and not a guitarist who plays bass.... you’ll end up playing with some folks, I’m pretty sure!!
 
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Here is some more things I wish I had when I first started. Print this off and file it away in your reference folder. What, you do not have a reference folder? Start one.

OK -- first things first. Until we understand the Major and minor scale -- which notes are in each scale and the difference in a scale and a key -- most of the stuff you read on the internet will only take you so far before a brick wall comes into the picture. Those Internet bits and pieces of information assume you already understand this, and with out this basic knowledge everything will keep being Jell-O.

No way you can remember all this. File it away so when you need it you know where to go get it.

How can the following help you? The band director says; "Next one is Kiss Ole Kate, we'll do it in G ready 1 & 2 & 3..... OK you need to know the notes and chords in the scale/key of G and have some sheet music or chord charts on Kiss Ole Kate that you can use.

The melody instruments will play notes of the G scale and the harmony instruments (which we are one) will play notes of the chords made from the G scale notes. So it kinda helps if you know what those notes and or chords are -- or have some way of remembering then.


Having the notes of the Major and Natural minor scale all on one page is hard to find. That is why I've listed them below.

Major Scale Chart 221-2221 Major Key I,ii,iii,IV,V,vi,viidim
Interval number 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
C major scale.....C D E F G A B........................Notice how each scale has different
G Major scale.....G A B C D E F#......................notes. C has no sharps or flats and
D Major scale.....D E F# G A B C#....................the E major scale has 4 sharps. I've
Etc, etc. ............A B C# D E F# G#.................given you some memory pegs below
........................E F# G# A B C# D#...............so you will not have to rely upon this
........................B C# D# E F# G# A#.............scale chart all the time.
........................F# G# A# B C# D# E#
........................C# D# E# F# G# A# B#
Now the flats......F G A Bb C D E
........................Bb C D Eb F G A
........................Eb F G Ab Bb C D
........................Ab Bb C Db Eb F G
........................Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C
........................Gb Ab Bb Cb Db Eb F
........................Cb Db Eb Fb Gb Ab Bb

Natural Minor Scale Chart 212-2122 Natural Minor Key i,iidim,III,iv,v,VI,VII
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
A B C D E F G
E F# G A B C D
B C# D E F# G A
F# G# A B C# D E
C# D# E F# G# A B
G# A# B C# D# E F#
D# E# F# G# A# B C#
A# B# C# D# E# F# G#
D E F G A Bb C
G A Bb C D Eb F
C D Eb F G Ab Bb
F G Ab Bb C Db Eb
Bb C Db Eb F Gb Ab
Eb F Gb Ab Bb Cb Db
Ab Bb Cb Db Eb Fb Gb

Print this off and use it as a reference as you study the rest of this post.

Everything we do in Western music (Western part of the World) is based on the Major scale. To understand it we really have to start with the chromatic scale. -- C, C#/Db, D, D#/Eb, E, F, F#/Gb, G, G#/Ab, A, A#/Bb, B, C.
12 sounds that start over again at the 13th (C) with another octave of the same. Understand C#/Db is one sound, thus one note with two names. They are the in-between sounds - the black keys on the piano. Notice it's not every other one -- E does not have a # or sharped note nor does B. Why not? That will drive you crazy, just accept it and keep going.

At the begining of the Major Scale Chart notice the "phone number" 221-2221. This phone number is the tone, half tone structure I'm sure you have heard of. I remember the phone number easier than Tone, Tone, Half Tone, Tone, Tone, Tone, Half Tone. Use which ever one lifts your kilt. This phone number is your memory peg to help you decide what notes are in each Major scale. Take any note - let's use C to start with. Apply the phone number looking at the chromatic scale - C go up two notes to D now go up two more notes to E, now go up one note to F continue on going up two notes to G then two more to A then two more to B then one to C.

That is the C Major Scale. C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C. Now do that same thing for the G scale and you end up with one sharp note, the F#. The D scale ends up with two sharps the F# you already have and the C#. Continue on and you will have built the full Major scale -- just by applying that "magic phone number"

Next thing written at the top of the Major Scale chart is something called Major Key I,ii,iii,IV,V,vi,viidim,I. --- Upper case will be major chords and the lower case will be minor chords. That is the key structure cheat sheet, memory peg, what ever you want to call it -- that will tell you what chords are in a certain key. Remember scales have notes and keys have chords. That is no exactly correct, but, for now close enough for our study. Let's use the D scale and find what chords are in the key of D.

Structure.. I,. ii,... iii,... IV, V,.vi, viidim,..... I
D scale =.. D, E,.. F#,... G, A,. B,.. C#,....... D
Key of D = D, Em, F#m, G, A, Bm, C#dim,.. D --- notice the F# note becomes a F#m chord. and the E note is now a Em chord. A key will have three Major chords, three minor chords and one diminished chord. Every key will have this same number of Major, minor and diminished chords.

The band director says; "OK, the next song will be in D". The solo instruments will select their solo notes from the D scale and the accompaniment instruments will use the key of D for their chords. And Yes if the bassists will be playing accompaniment he/she will gather their notes from the active chord for their bass lines. R-R-R-R or R-5 or what ever fits with this song.

Now look at the minor scale chart. Notice the phone number is different and the key structure is also different. Apply these the same way as you did for the Major scale -- they being different is what gives the minor sound.

Notice something else -- the first column of the minor scale is the same as the 6th column in the Major scale. The 2nd minor scale column is the same as the 7th Major scale column. The third minor scale column is the same as the 1st Major scale column, etc, etc, etc. Just something to keep in mind when you start studing relative minors etc.

Some memory pegs that will help you remember things on the fly:
  • See God Destroy All Earth By F#iry C#aos. Is the order of scales that have sharps in them. C has none, G has 1, D has 2, E has 4, etc.
  • Fat Cats Go Down Alleys Eating Birds. Is the order of the sharps in the sharp scales. C has none, G has one the F# (fat) D has 2, the F# and the C# (cats), etc.
  • Farmer Brown Eats Apple Dumplings Greasly Cooked. Is the order of the scales that have flats in them. F has one, the Bb, Bb keeps itself and adds the Eb. Eb keeps itself, the Bb and adds the Ab. Notice how it builds from Farmer Brown Eats Apples, etc.
Use these memory pegs:

See God Destroy All Earth By F#iry C#aos
Fat Cats Go Down Alleys Eating Birds
Farmer Brown Eats Apple Dumplings Greasly Cooked

The lymiric See God Destroy... and Farmer Brown .... can be used to remember the Circle of 5ths order which can be used to help you with chord progressions.

I've just given you the basic foundation of Western Music.
  • The Major Scale and which scales have what notes.
  • What notes are sharped and which notes are flatted.
  • The Major Key structure and which chords are in each key.
  • Which chords are Major chords, which are minor chords and which one is the minor diminished chord.
We really only do three things with our instruments. We make either, scales, chords or arpeggios. Perhaps you now understand scales and chords a little better ------ now go on the Internet and learn how to use scales and chords. Dirt simple logic; scales are for the melody, chords are for the harmony. If the melody notes and the notes of the chords share some of the same notes we get harmonization. That is how music thinks.

Quiz; Under a C major chord what bass line will fit while that C chord is active?
Answer; the notes of the C major chord. Question; what are the notes of the C major chord? Answer; the Root, 3rd scale degree and the 5th scale degree, i.e. C, E, G notes. Where on your fretboard is the C, E and G notes? And this brings us back to my first post.

I glued a picture of the Circle of 5th on my first instrument so I could sneak a peak when ever I needed some help. Help yourself to one of these; https://www.google.com/search?q=circle of 5ths&tbm=isch&imgil=-Cp5KlJsP5zt8M:;I8U63V4ACDlOIM;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths&source=iu&usg=__-Kc9TEx--CrzNNE9fqgJVtYOsyE=&sa=X&ei=9zH6U-S5BIinyAS-wIGYDw&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQ9QEwAQ&biw=1041&bih=531#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=-Cp5KlJsP5zt8M:;I8U63V4ACDlOIM;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Circle_of_fifths_deluxe_4.svg/1024px-Circle_of_fifths_deluxe_4.svg.png;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths;1024;1024

It's a circle - put the scale name, or tonic chord name you want at 12:00 O'clock. The three major chords, or scale notes are outside the circle. The three minor chords or scale notes are inside the circle and the diminished chord or scale note is inside just to the right of the last minor chord. Chords or notes works the same.

Have fun, it is a journey. Little today, little more tomorrow... When you are comfortable with this it then will be time to study chord progressions and harmony. First things first...

This. Is. Marvelous! Thank you!!!