Double Bass Let’s Compare a Cheap Chinese Bow to a Fine European Bow

In my youth I broke the stick of a cheap bow during a rehearsal of Tchaikovsky's 5th I think, a part with 4 F's.
I remember a loud crack and a cloud of rosin dust. Spectacular! Never happened since thankfully.
 

About 10 years ago Stefan Jackiw subbed in last minute as the soloist for an orchestra I played with. Apparently he happened to be in town and our scheduled soloist was sick; they were represented by the same agency and they made it happen.

We were doing the Barber Violin Concerto, which is not easy for the soloist, especially in the last movement. He was amazing.

Best of luck to him and hope his Voirin is soon good as new!
 
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Just got an advanced German snakewood bow from Jimmy at Wangbow. $360 with shipping. Very nice workmanship, well balanced, beautiful wood. Very graceful looking stick with plenty of backbone but still very responsive. Well haired wide ribbon. My other bows are a Chinese pernambuco, which is rather soft, and a Finale brown weave, which is stiff and looks like a baseball bat in comparison. I like it, The Finale is backup now.
 
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Slightly off topic, but has been mentioned in this thread, tip heavy bows.

I have a lower level Pernambuco French bow, 4/4 size which is quite tip heavy.
Any ideas on how best to change the balance point?

I was thinking:

1. Going at the tip with a dremel. From the inside, sanding down the wood bit by bit..
2. Gluing some piece of metal like a steel nut onto the end of the bows nut..

I cant justify taking this bow to a luthier and haven't played it for about 10 years, but if the balance could be improved it would be an adequate spare.
 
Slightly off topic, but has been mentioned in this thread, tip heavy bows.

I have a lower level Pernambuco French bow, 4/4 size which is quite tip heavy.
Any ideas on how best to change the balance point?

I was thinking:

1. Going at the tip with a dremel. From the inside, sanding down the wood bit by bit..
2. Gluing some piece of metal like a steel nut onto the end of the bows nut..

I cant justify taking this bow to a luthier and haven't played it for about 10 years, but if the balance could be improved it would be an adequate spare.

In the past I've used painter's tape to tape a coin or two to the bottom of the frog. I've also seen it were folks will put latex surgical tubing (the kind normally used for the bow grip) placed on the adjusting button. Finally, I had a French bow I wanted to add more weight to at the frog and a bow guy I used to go to installed lead tape or some such (it was a while ago so I can't be sure) where the stick starts right by the adjusting button. Anyway, YMMV, etc. Hope this helps!
 
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some piece of metal like a steel nut
In the combination of density, availability, and price, scrap tungsten carbide insert cutters win. Practically any machine shop and many wooddorking shops use carbide insert tooling, and most dispose of it when dull. There are many shapes, most of which have at least one hole in them.

Tungsten carbide has a density of 15.3 g/cc .vs. 7.75 to 8 for steel, so it's roughly twice as dense. Lead is 11.3
 
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I just got this snakewood bow from Ebay, it is no name Chinese bow. It is balanced, has a beautiful tone and grip, it will be even better when I get black hair on it. They have really upped their game over there! This is a bit heavier than the braided carbon bow, but, has a warmer tone. The bounce and spiccato are great with both bows. I can't believe it. It was $129!
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I just received a similar bow which was just over $130 and weighs 158g. After about ten swipes of Pops it pulls a very loud and dark tone out my German flatback strung with Spirocores. That impresses me because getting a consistent, weighty tone out of Spirocores on this bass isn’t easy. My Sam Kolstein is a bit smoother but lacks the low end and volume of this cheap stick. It’s 20g lighter though. I also recently picked up a cheap braided CF bow and put black on it. At 127g, it is very well balanced, quick and has a great bounce, although it is a bit bright.
 
I just received a similar bow which was just over $130 and weighs 158g. After about ten swipes of Pops it pulls a very loud and dark tone out my German flatback strung with Spirocores. That impresses me because getting a consistent, weighty tone out of Spirocores on this bass isn’t easy. My Sam Kolstein is a bit smoother but lacks the low end and volume of this cheap stick. It’s 20g lighter though. I also recently picked up a cheap braided CF bow and put black on it. At 127g, it is very well balanced, quick and has a great bounce, although it is a bit bright.
I don't know if you ever met Shaun at STL Strings, but his rehairs are first rate. With a good, pro rehair of jet black hair, both of these bows perform at a much higher level than they should.
 
I don't know if you ever met Shaun at STL Strings, but his rehairs are first rate. With a good, pro rehair of jet black hair, both of these bows perform at a much higher level than they should.
If I met Shaun for the first time at a party, I would guess that he's a luthier!:roflmao: I agree that his rehairs are good. I'm going on a year with my last rehair, by him still going strong.
 
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I just received a similar bow which was just over $130 and weighs 158g. After about ten swipes of Pops it pulls a very loud and dark tone out my German flatback strung with Spirocores. That impresses me because getting a consistent, weighty tone out of Spirocores on this bass isn’t easy. My Sam Kolstein is a bit smoother but lacks the low end and volume of this cheap stick. It’s 20g lighter though. I also recently picked up a cheap braided CF bow and put black on it. At 127g, it is very well balanced, quick and has a great bounce, although it is a bit bright.
Can you tell me the brand to look for? Or the sellers name? Thanks
 
Just curious, but does anyone want to guess/speculate/comment on what effect possible "Trump" tariffs will have on Chinese basses and bows, etc? I don't imagine it will be good.
My guess is that they'll cost more! As to whether it will encourage domestic production of musical instruments ... I have doubts. I'd be happy to see some production in Mexico, but my understanding is that they'll have the tariffs too. The only good thing I can see from new tariffs is a possible benefit to the environment due to reduced shipping and abusive exploitation of natural resources in other countries.
 
Lower-cost domestic alternatives don't really exist and won't magically appear. In all likelihood the prices of whatever passes for lower-cost domestic alternatives will also rise, as the people making those will be impacted by the same thing on the supply side.