love of Ampeg and other Scroll Basses, Part 2

Amazingly enough, I finished polishing #018's paint job!!! She's back together and singing as sweetly as before. I think both Juan and Coy will be stopping in today or tomorrow to do a little more testing.....

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A couple of really quick pictures out on the ramp in the sun. They don't show the color very well.

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There's more golden Tobacco brown showing on the front now, and the insides of the F-holes are black.

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Last things left are making up the engraved name plate, shooting the official Philco portraits, and making the mods to the Voyager and Pelican cases. Then she'll be ready to ship off to Ed!!!
 
The day is here, at last!

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I attached the new engraved aluminum name plate to #018.......That means that it is officially finished!!!!!

And of course, that calls for..........The Philco portraits. A mandatory tradition for all Scroll Basses. I dusted off the old Philco and wheeled it out onto the ramp. I waited until about 6 pm, when the sun was just dipping behind the hills, to get that soft natural light. Rich color without most of the crazy reflections and glare.......That's how Scroll Basses need to be photographed.

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And there it is.....My artistic rendering of Tobacco Sunburst. A lot of work, but I like how it came out.

Now I just have to do those quick mods to the two cases, and #018 will be heading off to Ed! It's been a long journey.......
 
The day is here, at last!

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I attached the new engraved aluminum name plate to #018.......That means that it is officially finished!!!!!

And of course, that calls for..........The Philco portraits. A mandatory tradition for all Scroll Basses. I dusted off the old Philco and wheeled it out onto the ramp. I waited until about 6 pm, when the sun was just dipping behind the hills, to get that soft natural light. Rich color without most of the crazy reflections and glare.......That's how Scroll Basses need to be photographed.

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And there it is.....My artistic rendering of Tobacco Sunburst. A lot of work, but I like how it came out.

Now I just have to do those quick mods to the two cases, and #018 will be heading off to Ed! It's been a long journey.......
A truly great piece of art as well!!!
 
Coy,

I hope you get to try her out. You've had a lot to do with the completion of the final product. If Bruce needs to hold on to #018 for an extra week in order to give you time to come up and try her, I have no objection.

That's very kind of you, Ed! #018 is ready to go, and I was planning to ship it out on Monday. I'll see if Coy can make it up here in the next few days.

Juan wasn't able to make it here for a re-test. He got called up for a last minute fill-in gig up in San Fran.
 
Love ❤️ it. I've been dying to get up there to see it in person but life keeps getting in the way.

Hey Coy;

I was planning to ship #018 out on Monday, but Ed has graciously said that I can hold it for a few more days if you can make it up here. Let me know.
 
In case you haven't seen it before, here's the mod I did to the Reunion Blues Voyager case that Ed's #018 will be shipping out in:

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I showed the whole mod process in detail somewhere back in this thread. Basically, I cut out a rectangle of the plush fabric and the foam underneath it, and epoxy a rectangle of rubberized fabric down into the hole. That's what the clamping fixture is doing in the top picture. This rubber-faced cup is a space for the tuner keys of a Scroll Bass Headstock. It's a simple modification that you can do yourselves.
 
Coy and his wife Sylvia visited the Lab yesterday. Coy spent a while with Jeremy, going over some crazy new projects for him. Then he spent about a half hour testing out Ed's #018.

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He's playing it through my small GK head, flat EQ, and the infamous Philco radio cabinet. Sylvia shot some video/audio of him, which I think he'll be posting later.

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I was particularly interested in getting Coy's opinion of #018. He's a rare breed of bassist who actually normally plays rock music on a fretless! And he particularly loves the sound and feel of a fretless Scroll Bass.

Coy's been playing my AUB-2 #025 for several years now, and loves it. That was my version of the fretless Scroll Bass in 1998. It's a Series II model with the single Seymour Duncan Quarter Pounder pickup coils. The Series II AUB-2 was really the predecessor to the AMUB-2. So #018 was a similar instrument, after 23 years of additional R & D. I wanted Coy's opinion on how they compared.

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Overall, he really liked #018 and considered it a better instrument. A refinement of the design. In feel, he particularly liked that it's a little more than a pound lighter in weight than #025. And the neck is a little slimmer feeling. He liked the rounded-off volute area of the headstock better than the mild hook of the AUB-2. Nice and easy to play overall.

He liked the sound very much; more frequency range than #025. He also noted that #018 was brighter overall, and #025 was warmer. But we agreed that most of that was just the strings. #025's Chromes are the originals, 23 years old, and still going strong. #018's Chromes have barely a hour of playing time on them (so far!) and are still quite bright and tinny. With the Tone rolled all the way down, you could hear that the mid-range warmth was definitely there and strong. It was just being partly covered by the new strings.

Coy will be posting his own more detailed review and impression.

It was great having him here, and listening to my bass sing in his hands. He really knows how to play one of these things.
 

Hello Friends... I've played many of Bruce's newly birthed basses but not a new model classic scroll fretless. I'm reluctant to share video because when I was handed Ed's bass cold and asked to "play something". I suddenly couldn't remember all the 100's of songs I know. I noodled for a bit and the wife kicked on my video on and off so I strung the few short seconds of noodling into one big jumbled mess. This is not about my sudden failure as a performer but about Ed's long awaited 18.
I brought along 25 to compare.
After admiring 18's beauty I asked Bruce and Jeremy if they could imagine a more difficult bass to build.... I believe I stumped them.
25 is a beast with a 1pc solid thick neck and 35" scale. I love playing it and smile every time I pick it up.
18 is about a pound lighter. The pickup still has that classic Tone we seek but with a much improved clarity over the older ones, they are not too hot but just right for a scroll bass. The electronic controls were simple and quiet like I prefer. It balances on the lap better and the hook on the back of the headstock is gone. Tt may be cool but it doesn't sit comfortable on guitar stand/hook and it's easier to damage if not careful. It serves no real purpose and nobody has ever come up to me and said, "wow that hook on the back of the headstock is cool". The scrolls on 18 look like they were carved and but are strong instead. The neck is slimmer and feels very solid and comfortable. I especially like the art look to the pickups...with the wraps, adjustments, ebony caps. The fingerboard feels perfect like my other black Ebony fingerboards. It is an amazing handmade piece of musical art and I'm grateful I got a chance to play it. It's also by far the best one I've ever played for my taste.
I'm so happy for you Ed. Congrats!!
The only negative I can think of is there are not enough of them. Make more please :)
 
Yesterday I prepared the new Pelican case for #018; cutting the foam to fit. I went ahead and photographed the process thoroughly and I'm documenting it here for any of you who are thinking of getting a Pelican case for your Scroll Bass.

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Here's the case: It's the Pelican Vault series, the V800 model. It's sized and sold for holding two full size rifles. It's a very tough case, able to take big drops, tumbles and crushing loads. It's water-tight, and will probably float with a bass in it. It's approved by the airlines as a Flight Case.

V800 is just the right size to hold any model Scroll Bass. You can cut the foam to hold the bass in there directly. That's what I'll be doing below. Or, you can pull the foam out and a Reunion Blues Voyager case, with a Scroll Bass inside, will fit inside the Pelican. I'll be showing that further below.

The Voyager and the Pelican cases work together very well. For example, you can travel by train or truck with the bass inside the Voyager, which is inside the Pelican. When you get to the gig or hotel, you can leave the Pelican in the room or backstage, and carry the bass around locally in the Voyager. Very well protected in either. Or both.

That's what Ed elected for #018, both the Voyager case and the Pelican case. He thinks he'll normally be storing #018 at home in the Pelican, in the cut foam. And then just put it in the Voyager when he drives around to local gigs. But he'll have the option of putting the Voyager inside the Pelican for long trips. Also, either case can be used with other basses that he owns.

The current price for the Pelican V800 is $230, which I think is very reasonable. I buy them from Pelican's own "store" on Amazon. $230 total, including the shipping. And it comes through in a correct size cardboard box. Which I'll be using to ship it to Ed.

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Here's what it looks like, opened up, with the blank foam. You can order extra sets of the foam sheets from Pelican, if you want to have extra sets to fit different instruments.

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Inside the lid are two thinner layers of foam, which are stuck together with spots of glue. You normally wouldn't cut them to fit the contents.

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In the lower half, there are two sheets of foam 1 3/4" thick each, and one 1/2" thick under it. The foam pieces are all cut accurately to fit in there, and they are keyed so they only go in one way.

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Cutting the foam to fit a Scroll Bass: Since I will be doing quite a few of these, I've made up a permanent AMB-2 template from 1/8" masonite. But, if you don't have one of these, you can use the bass itself as the template.

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Note how I'm positioning the bass in the case. The body is toward the end with the wheels. And I've shifted it to make sure there's at least 3" of foam between the bottom end of the body and the case wall. This is important. The most likely hard impact this case will see, from a Roadie or an Airline Gorilla, is straight down on the bottom end. You want the body to take that impact, with a thick layer of foam spread around the back perimeter to soften it.

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A Silver Sharpie is the magic tool to draw the lines on the foam, around the template or bass.

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Here's the outline on the upper layer of foam. Note the wider area at the neck/body joint. That provides a clearance pocket for grabbing hold of the bass to lift it in and out of the case. The headstock area is oversize; the foam wont touch the sides or end of the headstock. The outline around the body leaves about 1/8" gap around the perimeter. You don't want the bass to be squeezed into the foam. The crosswise line in the middle is to cut the foam sheet in half, and make it easier to cut out the pockets.

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Cutting the foam: The best tool for neatly cutting foam is a hotwire cutter. But I don't have one. Second best is a nice big bandsaw. I've got that. If you don't have one, you can cut the foam with a single edge razor blade. I've heard of folks even using electric steak knives from the kitchen.

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And there's the upper layer, cut out. The two pieces are inserted back into the case.

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Now I use the Sharpie to draw out the outline of the headstock into the lower foam layer......

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And it gets cut out with the bandsaw, and fitted back in.

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With the upper layer back in on top, there's the finished pocket for #018 to rest comfortably in.

That's about it. You can draw and cut out extra pockets beside the neck to hold accessories or whatever.
 
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Finishing up that discussion:

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And there's #018, checking out the fit. I think it wants to take a nap in there. Note that there's a little bit of clearance around the body. It's not squeezed into the foam.

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Clearance around the headstock. About 1/2" at the end. If the case were to get dropped on the headstock end, I want the shock to be taken by the body against its foam surround. The headstock and neck should get hardly any impact.

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This is what that pocket in the middle is for, a safe place to grab and lift the bass.

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Now, lifting all the foam pieces out, here's the Voyager, with #018 inside it, inside the Pelican. It's a very nice fit. The Voyager has its own heavy foam padding for impact resistance. And its own plastic surround shell. Putting it inside the Pelican gives it an extra layer of protection against dropping or crushing.

This combination could probably tumble-drop 10 feet onto concrete with no damage to the bass or the cases. I don't think the Pelican would even break open. It's got six tough latches and a really strong hinge.

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There's some extra space around the sides of the neck that you could stuff with accessories or clothes or whatever.

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The width fits in just right, lightly touching the walls. The depth is also perfect, lightly contacting the top and bottom of the Voyager, not squashing it.

The Voyager and the Pelican are a great combination for a Scroll Bass, or any other larger-size bass. And they aren't that expensive.

For now, they will be my options for cases. You can order a Scroll Bass with a Voyager, or a Pelican, or both.
 
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Bruce,

There is no aspect of these basses in which you are not an expert. Genius!

Hey Ed;

Yeah, out of necessity......Every little detail about building Scroll Basses is 3X as complicated as a normal bass. I've had to figure everything out myself. And no one else has tried to follow me or surpass me. So I became the Expert by default!
 
Yeah, Ampeg made one or two AEB-1's with bound fingerboards. Right at the beginning, very low serial numbers. I've got some records and pictures of one of them, from about 20 years ago. I don't know if it's the same instrument, or maybe John has a second one that he's been keeping in the closet.

I don't know that much about X and John Doe. Has he ever played an Ampeg before?