love of Ampeg and other Scroll Basses, Part 2

I was just scanning Reverb, looking for any signs of #018........I was surprised by the number of Ampegs listed. I counted 4 Devil basses, 8 AEB's, 2 AMB's, one SSB, and one of my AEB-2's. All in price ranges of $3500-$6500.
Bruce, I found my bass!!! This has to be it! I did a quick search on Reverb and came across this. It's in a shop in France and states that it was restored by you! I sold this on eBay back around 2006. It looks identical! Here is the link https://reverb.com/item/85095980-ampeg-amub-1-68-69
 

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Bruce, I found my bass!!! This has to be it! I did a quick search on Reverb and came across this. It's in a shop in France and states that it was restored by you! I sold this on eBay back around 2006. It looks identical! Here is the link https://reverb.com/item/85095980-ampeg-amub-1-68-69
Hey Thom;

Wow, it's been found! I saw the ad and wondered....What's it doing in France? It must have some stories to tell.....

For those of you vaguely remembering, this was Gary Ryan's (Joan Jett & Blackhawks) AMB-1 that he played during their glory years. It was metalflake blue when Gary played. I did a restoration on it in 2001, converting it to fretless and repainting it to the original red/black sunburst. I did that restoration for Thom, who had bought it. Neither of knew at that time that it was Gary's famous Ampeg.

Here's the story of the restoration, with grainy old pictures:


And here's the story from 2019, when we were searching for that bass, because Gary Ryan's fan club wanted to buy it and send it to him as a gift. They ended up commissioning me to finish up the one-of-a kind Azola AMB in metallic blue sunburst, which was then given to Gary.


I may try to contact the fan club and tell them that it's been found, and is available for sale. I doubt that they are interested in buying it, but they may enjoy telling Gary. I haven't heard anything more from Gary since he received the Azola AMB, but he was very happy with it. They sent me a nice picture of him holding it.
 
Thanks for the back story Bruce. And for the photos. It makes me miss that bass now. Just to add to Bruce's backstory, here is a photo of me and Gary Ryan playing the same bass.

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Man, it looks so cool in blue! I'm sure it sounded good too. :cool:

A musical history inquiry: In the movie "Adventures in Babysitting", the lead character has an encounter with Albert Collins and his band. The bassist is shown playing an Ampeg scroll bass. Does anyone know if Albert's bassist actually played one? I wish I could have seen him before he passed, but that didn't happen... :rollno:
 
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Hey gang!

I'm about to pull the trigger on this blue AEB-1 first mentioned here in post #4985 here! Been chatting to the owners and we're almost ready to go.

Just wondering if there's any extra details I should ask for before I finalise? Anything under the hood that would want looking at?

The pickup is described as working great (and the owner is a fantastic engineer!), and it looks in great condition - although I'm not an expert on these like some of you in this thread.
 

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Hey gang!

I'm about to pull the trigger on this blue AEB-1 first mentioned here in post #4985 here! Been chatting to the owners and we're almost ready to go.

Just wondering if there's any extra details I should ask for before I finalise? Anything under the hood that would want looking at?

The pickup is described as working great (and the owner is a fantastic engineer!), and it looks in great condition - although I'm not an expert on these like some of you in this thread.

Okay, good! We hadn't heard anything more about that AEB-1 since that post in 2021. I don't think there's any more info to add about it. It appears to be complete and all original, except that it's been repainted blue. The blue looks like nitro lacquer and was probably done 30+ years ago. It's missing the bridge cover, as are many of the AEB-1's out there.

When you get it, we'll be glad to answer any questions you have about setup, adjustments, minor improvements.
 
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Okay, good! We hadn't heard anything more about that AEB-1 since that post in 2021. I don't think there's any more info to add about it. It appears to be complete and all original, except that it's been repainted blue. The blue looks like nitro lacquer and was probably done 30+ years ago. It's missing the bridge cover, as are many of the AEB-1's out there.

When you get it, we'll be glad to answer any questions you have about setup, adjustments, minor improvements.
Amazing!

Thanks Bruce
 
Hey Thom;

Wow, it's been found! I saw the ad and wondered....What's it doing in France? It must have some stories to tell.....

For those of you vaguely remembering, this was Gary Ryan's (Joan Jett & Blackhawks) AMB-1 that he played during their glory years. It was metalflake blue when Gary played. I did a restoration on it in 2001, converting it to fretless and repainting it to the original red/black sunburst. I did that restoration for Thom, who had bought it. Neither of knew at that time that it was Gary's famous Ampeg.

Here's the story of the restoration, with grainy old pictures:


And here's the story from 2019, when we were searching for that bass, because Gary Ryan's fan club wanted to buy it and send it to him as a gift. They ended up commissioning me to finish up the one-of-a kind Azola AMB in metallic blue sunburst, which was then given to Gary.


I may try to contact the fan club and tell them that it's been found, and is available for sale. I doubt that they are interested in buying it, but they may enjoy telling Gary. I haven't heard anything more from Gary since he received the Azola AMB, but he was very happy with it. They sent me a nice picture of him holding it.

Hello everyone !
just a quick message to tell you I'm the one selling this bass.
Bruce, you forgot, but I bought this one through you, from Stephen Jordan, back in 2014.
We only exchanged a few emails about it then, since you just put us in contact. And the bass has lost it serial number when the bridge was replaced, so it probably doesn't appear easily in your files that I was the new owner.
I haven't been following this thread for a while now, maybe a couple of years, so I had missed that you guys talked about it, but Thomas reached me through the ad on Reverb.
I actually didn't know the bass used to be metallic blue, nor that it once belonged to Gary Ryan. I guess I didn't recognize it when Bruce posted the picture in feb 2021, or maybe I just missed the posts.
Anyway, it's for sale ; my fretless needs are more than covered with AUB-2 #064, AEB/AUB-1 #966, and SSB #008!
I hope everyone of you is doing good; I look forward to reading all your posts again from now on.
Coy, congratulations on AMUB-2 #018, it looks absolutely gorgeous and sounds beautifully in your hands.

Cheers from France
Jean-Baptiste
 
Hello everyone !
just a quick message to tell you I'm the one selling this bass.
Bruce, you forgot, but I bought this one through you, from Stephen Jordan, back in 2014.
We only exchanged a few emails about it then, since you just put us in contact. And the bass has lost it serial number when the bridge was replaced, so it probably doesn't appear easily in your files that I was the new owner.
I haven't been following this thread for a while now, maybe a couple of years, so I had missed that you guys talked about it, but Thomas reached me through the ad on Reverb.
I actually didn't know the bass used to be metallic blue, nor that it once belonged to Gary Ryan. I guess I didn't recognize it when Bruce posted the picture in feb 2021, or maybe I just missed the posts.
Anyway, it's for sale ; my fretless needs are more than covered with AUB-2 #064, AEB/AUB-1 #966, and SSB #008!
I hope everyone of you is doing good; I look forward to reading all your posts again from now on.
Coy, congratulations on AMUB-2 #018, it looks absolutely gorgeous and sounds beautifully in your hands.

Cheers from France
Jean-Baptiste

Hello Jean-Baptiste! It's good to hear from you again!

And thank you for filling in the missing part of the story of this bass! Now I remember. Thom sold it to Stephen Jordan around 2006. He was the owner in California that I couldn't remember or find in my records. It was because this bass had lost its original serial number. Then he contacted me around 2014, wanting to sell it, and I arranged the sale to you. When I was searching for it in 2019, I hadn't put it together that this was the same instrument.

How do you like #966, now that you've had some time with it? Does it have a useful sound?
 
Hello everyone !
just a quick message to tell you I'm the one selling this bass.
Bruce, you forgot, but I bought this one through you, from Stephen Jordan, back in 2014.
We only exchanged a few emails about it then, since you just put us in contact. And the bass has lost it serial number when the bridge was replaced, so it probably doesn't appear easily in your files that I was the new owner.
I haven't been following this thread for a while now, maybe a couple of years, so I had missed that you guys talked about it, but Thomas reached me through the ad on Reverb.
I actually didn't know the bass used to be metallic blue, nor that it once belonged to Gary Ryan. I guess I didn't recognize it when Bruce posted the picture in feb 2021, or maybe I just missed the posts.
Anyway, it's for sale ; my fretless needs are more than covered with AUB-2 #064, AEB/AUB-1 #966, and SSB #008!
I hope everyone of you is doing good; I look forward to reading all your posts again from now on.
Coy, congratulations on AMUB-2 #018, it looks absolutely gorgeous and sounds beautifully in your hands.

Cheers from France
Jean-Baptiste
Hi Jean, 18 is Ed's bass, I only test drove it. It's beautiful and sadly missing :(. I hope it turns up.
 
Does anyone know if the Reunion Blues Continental Voyager is being sold currently?

The only ones I can seem to find are the ones that fit two basses at once.

I need to get the blue AEB-1 from the US to the UK on a plane! I'm getting it sent to a buddy in Florida and grabbing it from him when I'm out there for work.

I'll either be buying it a seat and taking in a gig bag, or doing the Continental Voyager + Peli-case solution that Bruce has mentioned in this thread, and checking that in.

If I can't find a Voyager, it will definitely have to be the RB Expedition and a seat on the flight!
 
Hey gang!

I'm about to pull the trigger on this blue AEB-1 first mentioned here in post #4985 here! Been chatting to the owners and we're almost ready to go.

Just wondering if there's any extra details I should ask for before I finalise? Anything under the hood that would want looking at?

The pickup is described as working great (and the owner is a fantastic engineer!), and it looks in great condition - although I'm not an expert on these like some of you in this thread.
I love it in the blue! That works so well.
The more I learn about Ampeg basses, and Bruce's work, the more determined I get to have one. Of Bruce's especially. The blue is getting my imagination's heart pacing for sure.
 
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I received an email from FedEx late last night telling me that they had an updated delivery date for #18 on Monday. This morning that date was updated to today. At about 11:00 #18 was finally delivered! No explanation, nothing from FedEx. At least the nightmare is over. She plays beautifully. I've never played a bass that feels so much like it is carved from a single piece of wood. The setup is amazing. Part of it might be because it is fretless, but I have guitars that are not setup with the strings so low and easy to press to the fretboard. It is a very solid, extremely well built bass. Thank you, Bruce.
 
Hello Jean-Baptiste! It's good to hear from you again!

And thank you for filling in the missing part of the story of this bass! Now I remember. Thom sold it to Stephen Jordan around 2006. He was the owner in California that I couldn't remember or find in my records. It was because this bass had lost its original serial number. Then he contacted me around 2014, wanting to sell it, and I arranged the sale to you. When I was searching for it in 2019, I hadn't put it together that this was the same instrument.

How do you like #966, now that you've had some time with it? Does it have a useful sound?
Hello Bruce ;
#966 is really great ; it has a very rich and pleasing voice, and an unmistakable vintage character.
It had a significant electrical hum or buzz when I got it, but the problem was fixed by my local luthier and the noise is gone.
I am now considering finding a way to inverse the phase between the mystery pickup and the P/J setup.
As is, there's a phase cancellation that affects the low end when both PU systems are used together; when I record in my DAW, I can easily use a phase inverted on one of the two tracks, but I can't use the same trick when plugged in both channels of my amp.
The PJ / Mystery PU configuration makes the instrument comes closer to your Series IV, with the M and P pickups.
I can make a direct comparison between AUB-1 #966 and AUB-2 #064. But your series IV are so much more accomplished design wise, and are overall so much better made, that unless I really aim at the vintage vibe, I find myself always favoring the AUB-2. Its tonal spectrum is much wider, and the neck profile is much slimmer, more comfortable.
 
I received an email from FedEx late last night telling me that they had an updated delivery date for #18 on Monday. This morning that date was updated to today. At about 11:00 #18 was finally delivered! No explanation, nothing from FedEx. At least the nightmare is over. She plays beautifully. I've never played a bass that feels so much like it is carved from a single piece of wood. The setup is amazing. Part of it might be because it is fretless, but I have guitars that are not setup with the strings so low and easy to press to the fretboard. It is a very solid, extremely well built bass. Thank you, Bruce.
That's a relief !!
Losing this bass would have been such a heartache. I'm glad it ended up safely in your hands.
 
Hello Jean-Baptiste! It's good to hear from you again!

And thank you for filling in the missing part of the story of this bass! Now I remember. Thom sold it to Stephen Jordan around 2006. He was the owner in California that I couldn't remember or find in my records. It was because this bass had lost its original serial number. Then he contacted me around 2014, wanting to sell it, and I arranged the sale to you. When I was searching for it in 2019, I hadn't put it together that this was the same instrument.

How do you like #966, now that you've had some time with it? Does it have a useful sound?
Hey Bruce, just checking in to see iff you have any updates on the construction/creation of ol’# 19?!?! Any pics would be greatly appreciated too.

Thanks 😊!
 
I had a sweet old Ampeg in the shop for a quick visit. It's AEB-1 #657, from around March '67. The owner, John, bought it recently from a music store in Maine; he lives in Vermont. He shipped it all the way across the country to me to do a checkup and tuneup. There was hardly anything wrong with it.

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It's a beautiful Ampeg, in really nice condition. All original, except for one thing I found inside. It even has the original LaBella strings on it, and they still sound pretty good. The paint is sort of chipped around the perimeter of the body, as to be expected. The pickguard and rear neck plate cover have hardly any scratches on them. It has the bridge cover and it still has the damper fingers with the original black foam tips. I haven't seen any of them in a long time.

A closet queen. It looks like it was played gently for a few years, and then packed away in a closet in the northeast for 40 years or so.

Not much wrong with it. The neck has some forward bow, no twist. More relief than I like, but not enough to recommend any repair work. The body has the usual seams opening up, and some warpage. The action was quite high. The tone capacitor had completely died.

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Nothing wrong with the headstock. A few chips in the paint.

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The pickguard is in perfect condition. Note that the paint job has minimal black edging. Most of the AEB-1's painted like this are in the lower serial numbers, 200's to 400's. But here's one in the mid 600's. Most of the mid to higher serial number ones have much more black around the edges.

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And there's the back. Fiery red lacquer, light black around the F-holes, and hardly any black edging around the perimeter. That's all original.

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Opening it up, here's the first thing that isn't original. Aluminum foil for shielding. I'm almost certain that wasn't put in at the factory. So someone has had this Ampeg apart to do that. Probably back in the '70's. Note also that it has the sheet steel angle, not the round can. The steel angle was mostly used on the first 200 or so instruments. I've seen the can starting on instruments in the 300's. So, it's curious why the steel angle is on #657.

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There's the original Tone capacitor, a 0.1 mfd electrolytic. It's completely dead; the Tone control is like a Volume control. These capacitors typically died after 30 or 40 years. I don't think I've seen one over 50 years that's still working.

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Here's my standard repair and upgrade, if you haven't seen it. I put in two modern polyester 0.1 mfd capacitors. One goes in place of the original Tone capacitor, from the right lug of the Volume control to the right lug of the Tone control. The second one goes across the Volume control, from the left lug to the right lug.

Adding that second capacitor significantly improves the sound of a Mystery pickup. I recommend it for all AEB-1's, AUB-1's and Devil Basses.

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Here's what the Mystery pickup looks like opened up, with the diaphragm removed. That's the masonite ring and the coil assembly. Note the rough free-hand routing after the body was painted. And how one ear of the epoxy casting of the pickup coil is broken and repaired by drilling a new hole. I believe that was done at the factory. I've seen a few other AEB's with that same sloppy work.

The little silver wire at the upper right is the ground wire for the strings. It goes down into that hole and contacts the tailpiece bar.

The black rectangle to the left is a foam pad to keep the pickguard from buzzing on the body. That's from the factory.

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This is an important part of the setup of a Mystery pickup. Put a 6" steel ruler across the masonite ring and look at the gap to the magnets. It needs to be about 1/16".

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Here is one of the strange screws that attach the diaphragm. They are an old obsolete head style called Clutch Head. The driver opening on the head is a small hourglass shape. They were used in '40's and '50's radios and TV chassis usually covering high voltage parts. Where you didn't want unqualified people messing around. Who knows why Ampeg used them on the Mystery pickup? Maybe they didn't want owners taking them apart? They require a special driver called a "C-2". Kind of hard to find these days.

On many Ampegs which have been worked on, the Clutch Head screws have been replaced with Phillips or Slotted screws. But these are original, and I may have been the first person to have removed them since 1967.

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Another routine maintenance item whenever you have an Ampeg apart is to spray a little squirt of Deoxit F5 into each of the pots, to clean and lube them. Just a tiny squirt. These pots weren't crackling, but I did it anyway.

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Here's a quick way to test the Mystery pickup before putting all those pickguard screws in. Set a tuning fork on the Bakelite block, and it'll send a nice loud A out through the amp.

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One other thing I did to it was add some neck heel shims. I make up aluminum shims like this that fit at the back of the heel, behind the two rear screws. It took 0.090" of shims to bring the action down to a nice working range. Yes, I know all about the Tilt Screw. I don't like using them. The aluminum shims make a more solid connection between the neck heel and the body.

Anyway, that's it. #657 now has its full beautiful sound, and a nice comfortable playing setup. And the 58 year old LaBellas still sound great. It's on its way back to John in Vermont, ready for another 50 years of beautiful bass tones.
 
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