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Starting chord-changes at "the and of 4"
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I think it also depends on the era/type of clave used. For example a son clave has the hits on the 3 side on the one the and of two and the four. Where as more modern styles like Timba use a rhumba clave where the hits are on the one the and of two and the and of 4 on the three side.
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QweziRider
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Sure, it's common practice. Often referred to in non-musical terms as a push. Quite effective. Also boring as hell if, like any other musical approach, you do it all the time.
I'm confused. Are you talking covers? If so, I'd never play it anywhere it doesn't belong, and always play it where it's supposed to be. You can't go adding that in or taking it out willy nilly with recognizable music.
If we're talking originals...well you can write that in wherever you want. If the guitarist is doing the composing, that's his prerogative.
If we're talking originals...well you can write that in wherever you want. If the guitarist is doing the composing, that's his prerogative.
To say "everything" sounds better this way is nutty. Treat each song as its own entity. Heck, treat each bar of each song as its own entity...
The first song that I noticed this in was You Can't Hurry Love by the Supremes with Jamerson driving. It's powerful stuff and like nearly all powerful stuff it can easily be overdone.
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The neo soul people do it all the time too. Listen to Pino with whatever that guy's name is ... (sorry, it's not really my thing but I listen occasionally cos I love Pino Palladino).
I've seen that quite a few times in punk/pop punk songs, my old band is what made me realize it was even a thing. Definitely useful but I wouldn't over do it.
Yeah you're just looking for the term "syncopation". It's very common.
And it works great.
That being said, play and write songs that sound great to you. If that's syncopated, fine. But don't make it some sort of "signature sound". Your music will become a bit one dimensional. Let the song be what it is. If it sounds great syncopated, do it. But try them all straight and syncopated. Go with whatever sounds best for that song.
And it works great.
That being said, play and write songs that sound great to you. If that's syncopated, fine. But don't make it some sort of "signature sound". Your music will become a bit one dimensional. Let the song be what it is. If it sounds great syncopated, do it. But try them all straight and syncopated. Go with whatever sounds best for that song.
it's called an anticipation. extremely common.
doing it for every single chord? that sounds odd. common in funk, jazz fusion, but i've certainly seen it even in orchestral bass parts plenty.
doing it for every single chord? that sounds odd. common in funk, jazz fusion, but i've certainly seen it even in orchestral bass parts plenty.
I knew a guitar player who used to start changes on the '4-and' of the preceding bar. Turned out he couldn't change position quickly enough to fill the measure and make the change in time for 1 in the next bar...
NOoooooo! I only emphsasize "no" because you have been derailed or are about to derail someone into confusion. You merely place an 8th note on the "and of 4" and tie it to the same note on beat 1 of the next measure.
Van Halen's "Panama" starts with guitar and kick drum on the and-of-4, with no count-in - and no guitar accent on the 1. Kind of disorienting! All the big transitions in the rest of the song land on the and-of-4 too.
I usually go a bit further and change chord already on the and of 3. Or sometimes when I want to go HAM it's already on the and of 2. Once I even did it on the and of 1 but that was too powerful!
Yeah happen a lot in the 80's hair band days, nice to add here and there, but don't live by that sword, meaning don't put it into every song you guys write, it will be harder to lock in a groove or hold the pocket when the time comes, not to mention you guys will have to be tight, one step away and it is hard to bring it back in. Panama is a good example suggested by Slinkp.