Thoughts on Auditions

Recently did a session ...which was sctually enjoyable ..but I played to a programmed drum part and I asked if they were going to put real drums...and if they were, I outlined a few ideas to make the drum part and therefore track work.
So they brought in an elec 3 piece kit..which was never going to be enough for the brief.
Plus, drummer doesn't play/practice regularly so couldn't play well enough for the part either.

I work hard to keep my game going so I'm not pleased having to carry someone else who doesn't or can't.
Applies to other instruments too.
Stay sharp..
 
This seems somewhat germane to this thread...or, at the very least, amusing:

I went to an audition for a classic rock cover band last Friday. I had fun playing, but I knew there was no way in hell I would want to be in a band with these guys. Drummer was tight but had a conspicuously limited imagination. Guitarist/singer/bandleader sucked. Badly. And the 2nd guitarist/co-bandleader didn't even have the courtesy to show up!

But the kicker was this: Today the Guitarist/singer/bandleader emailed me to offer me the gig...three times within the space of 7 hours!!! By the third email he had concluded that I must not want to be in his band since I hadn't responded to any of his other emails. Truth was, I was out on the road all day and didn't see any email until 9:00 at night...but the fact that he'd emailed three times within the space of 7 hours without waiting for a response -- or without calling/texting me, since he had my number -- was a huge red flag that left me giggling hysterically...and thanking my lucky stars that I was able to decline the gig.
 
This seems somewhat germane to this thread...or, at the very least, amusing:

I went to an audition for a classic rock cover band last Friday. I had fun playing, but I knew there was no way in hell I would want to be in a band with these guys. Drummer was tight but had a conspicuously limited imagination. Guitarist/singer/bandleader sucked. Badly. And the 2nd guitarist/co-bandleader didn't even have the courtesy to show up!

But the kicker was this: Today the Guitarist/singer/bandleader emailed me to offer me the gig...three times within the space of 7 hours!!! By the third email he had concluded that I must not want to be in his band since I hadn't responded to any of his other emails. Truth was, I was out on the road all day and didn't see any email until 9:00 at night...but the fact that he'd emailed three times within the space of 7 hours without waiting for a response -- or without calling/texting me, since he had my number -- was a huge red flag that left me giggling hysterically...and thanking my lucky stars that I was able to decline the gig.

That the guy sucks at both being a musician and behaving in an appropriate way with others shouldn't be a surprise; Dunning-Kruger syndrome usually goes hand-in-hand with this kind of impressively low self-awareness.
 
Had my fair share of socially awkward musicians. Perhaps that's why they are drawn to making 'bedroom music'?

Doesn't mean they suck but puts extra 'complications' on band stuff.
One guitarist wouldn't talk to a new 2nd guitarist in 1st audition rehearsal, for whatever reasons.
Another would say how much he liked someone's ideas to his face but then totally slag him off behind his back.
Others in total denial that they are playing out of time.
Another existing member never answer messages.


I've slipped into band leader roles before in the attempt to help grown adults behaving like kids.
 
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I've been fortunate that over the last 44 years of playing commercially I've auditioned for a band exactly once. All word of mouth. Of course, every sub gig is in a sense an audition; but I'm not particularly worried about that since my habit ever since my late teens has been to show up on time, sober, with the correct clothing, correct equipment, and music under control, to be as pleasant as possible to all the other musicians, and help out with setup and teardown where I can.
 
I am a pretty competent bass player. Not too flashy, bit sloppy at times but overall definitely okay. But I suck at auditions. I always need a second round to really show what I can do. No clue why. It's not nerves or anything. Just how I roll, I guess.

Got tagged in a "bassist wanted" and recently. Turns out I know the drummer. Can't blame him for not thinking about me for this role, because I turned him down a year ago. But I reached out, and suddenly think this is still the same project.

I asked when they rehearse: currently on a weekly basis on Saturday, but moving to Friday.

I asked what they rehearse: mostly jamming on ideas for original songs, and the occasional cover.

I asked for a recording: No, it's just jams so far.

I am not very inclined to ask for an audition spot. I don't do well at jams, and this sounds like a lot of time invested for little return.

Back to my instruction books....
 
My hardest gig currently is playing decent covers true to the record. This totally doesn't fit my style and I get bored so easily playing 8th notes dead rigid.
But the BL wants that...and we bump a few times.
So yep, important to position yourself to your strenghts. My above gig is 'easy' if that is what you like doing but I'd love it if they just found someone else.
 
Had 7 auditions/trials over the last 2-3 years. Mix of originals and cover bands. Only 1 of those chose another player over me, I said no thanks to 1 of them, & the rest fizzled out due to the band’s vagueness/bullsh*t/lack of direction.

Each one has involved working on a chunk of material. The originals could be creative, the covers sometimes a pain to study note by note. So I’m putting in a fair amount of time to prepare for audition & follow ups.

I’ve had 2 sessions with the latest project. The first was OK, friendly chat afterwards, they seem pleased enough. The current bass player is doing a handover and was sat watching me – no pressure!

But the 2nd time was quite different. The band leader was kind of officious & standoffish and the rest didn’t say much to me. I felt like the stranger in the room – it was a freezing cold hall, & I couldn’t relax into it. Made a few slips but they also made their own mistakes (and they’ve been gigging the songs for ages). They are now ‘going to let me know’….

I’d got myself quite nervous about it all and came away pretty drained.

I just question why am I putting myself through this again & again?



Bottom line is I set my goal 3 yrs ago, to getting into a decent semi pro band, away from the amateur chaos. But then the amateur days were the most fun! We were naïve and had great laughs. But I then fell into role of 'band organiser' because no one else could be arsed. Sorting everything out, rather than concentrated on my playing, didnt get enough support.


I just feel a bit disillusioned with the ‘trying to join pro bands scenario’….I'm 62 now (although fit and young for my age), so feel if it doesn't click soon, it will be too late.

Auditions are just weird. You’re trying to focus on the music, atmosphere is somewhat ‘strained’. Then you’re also having to assess the others while they are assessing you – a lot of headspace?!! So many questions going on:

Can you be yourself easily in such situations?

Are you trying to (over) please?

Do you click after such a short time?

Do want to spend time with them?

Is the band solid? Will they last?



Anyone else relate? Feel free to share your experiences.

Some of this is advanced from where you are, so consider it food for thought.

I'm just a bit older than you, but have been doing the weekend warrior thing for half a century (only a few gaps, I never had children). Things really began to click around Y2K: since then I've networked my way into a position of privilege, juggling a bunch of bands and sub gigs. Most of these opportunities have come via word of mouth: many bandmates also juggle multiple bands, and word travels. But I haven't forgotten about the audition process.

It's important to note that I happen to live in a huge metropolitan area with a severe bass player shortage -- it's why I stay busy despite having very little vocal ability. Speaking of which: if you don't sing, consider taking vocal lessons -- it'll greatly increase your marketability. I never bothered because I never wanted to go pro, but I regret that decision because I've lost out on some good part-time opportunities because I can't contribute quality harmony vocals.

Another suggestion: make it a habit to learn songs. I'm embarrassed to say this, but I used to get annoyed if I had to learn songs for an audition (or any other reason) and either the audition was canceled or the song(s) got vetoed. I belatedly realized that the more songs you learn, the easier it is to learn new songs. Another advantage: a lot of bands of a particular genre play similar setlists of crowd pleasers. If you've learned a song once, it's so much easier to re-learn in the future than to start from scratch. For your purposes: it can make audition prep easier.

Last recommendation: learn to write song "cheat sheets". I can't read music, and I'm not great at formal chord charts either. I developed a simplified version of the Nashville number system (where the key is represented by "1" and other chords numbered relative to that), but if you prefer letters that's fine. However you choose to do it, writing out maps can help you memorize the song in question, but also help you recognize common song structures and chord patterns. You can save them on paper or electronically in a setlist app (my preference), so you can refer to them in the future as needed. I've been doing this for a decade and my setlist app now contains 700 songs. Some of them I play so often that I don't need the refresher, but it's great to have so many available just in case.

Right now, I'm mostly in the classic rock/R&B world*. When I get called to do a sub gig, I usually know 60-90% of the band's list already. There's also a good chance I have charts for many of the unfamiliar songs. End result: I usually only have to learn (and chart) a handful of new songs for each new sub opportunity. Some of this applies to band auditions as well: as noted, the more songs you have played, the easier it will be to prep. If you have notes/charts as reference, the prep will be even easier.

Again, these are just some suggestions, and concepts that may be useful as you become established in your area.

*My charts include songs in other genres (roots, country, oldies, pop) but it's mostly classic rock.
 
I feel that the chemistry of the people in the band is the most important.
After that, band goals. Do they gig and how are they willing to accomplish that goal.
(I’m willing to help, but no longer want to be the only one)
Are they fun , but still serious enough to get stuff done.
I will learn about 8 songs, no more. That’s enough for them to gauge my playing. Usually I know 5 or 6
If it’s not fun it won’t get any better.
I actually put personalities at the bottom. But I do this full time. If I walked away from every gig with a weirdo I’d never gig.

For me it’s about the $ first. But I generally get along with everyone and if I don’t like someone I can definitely be cordial.

Having said that I just quit a band after a year that 3/4 of the other members were just not my vibe. But the decision really came down to lack of gigs. Bad personalities was just the icing on the cake.
 
Some of this is advanced from where you are, so consider it food for thought.

I'm just a bit older than you, but have been doing the weekend warrior thing for half a century (only a few gaps, I never had children). Things really began to click around Y2K: since then I've networked my way into a position of privilege, juggling a bunch of bands and sub gigs. Most of these opportunities have come via word of mouth: many bandmates also juggle multiple bands, and word travels. But I haven't forgotten about the audition process.

It's important to note that I happen to live in a huge metropolitan area with a severe bass player shortage -- it's why I stay busy despite having very little vocal ability. Speaking of which: if you don't sing, consider taking vocal lessons -- it'll greatly increase your marketability. I never bothered because I never wanted to go pro, but I regret that decision because I've lost out on some good part-time opportunities because I can't contribute quality harmony vocals.

Another suggestion: make it a habit to learn songs. I'm embarrassed to say this, but I used to get annoyed if I had to learn songs for an audition (or any other reason) and either the audition was canceled or the song(s) got vetoed. I belatedly realized that the more songs you learn, the easier it is to learn new songs. Another advantage: a lot of bands of a particular genre play similar setlists of crowd pleasers. If you've learned a song once, it's so much easier to re-learn in the future than to start from scratch. For your purposes: it can make audition prep easier.

Last recommendation: learn to write song "cheat sheets". I can't read music, and I'm not great at formal chord charts either. I developed a simplified version of the Nashville number system (where the key is represented by "1" and other chords numbered relative to that), but if you prefer letters that's fine. However you choose to do it, writing out maps can help you memorize the song in question, but also help you recognize common song structures and chord patterns. You can save them on paper or electronically in a setlist app (my preference), so you can refer to them in the future as needed. I've been doing this for a decade and my setlist app now contains 700 songs. Some of them I play so often that I don't need the refresher, but it's great to have so many available just in case.

Right now, I'm mostly in the classic rock/R&B world*. When I get called to do a sub gig, I usually know 60-90% of the band's list already. There's also a good chance I have charts for many of the unfamiliar songs. End result: I usually only have to learn (and chart) a handful of new songs for each new sub opportunity. Some of this applies to band auditions as well: as noted, the more songs you have played, the easier it will be to prep. If you have notes/charts as reference, the prep will be even easier.

Again, these are just some suggestions, and concepts that may be useful as you become established in your area.

*My charts include songs in other genres (roots, country, oldies, pop) but it's mostly classic rock.
I was talking to my lifelong friend the other day and told him I was auditioning for some new bands and had to learn a whole bunch of new songs - which is fine, I like doing that. He quickly pointed out that’s what we call growth-mindset. The idea that we do things simply to learn them and grow as a person. I love learning new tunes - it keeps me sharp and makes me a better bass player - even if the audition gets cancelled it’s only going to help me, not hurt me.
 
I've been very lucky over the years. Since 2004--including a move from North Carolina to Massachusetts--I've been working almost every weekend. The last nine years with a very successful bar band out of Manchester CT. Obviously, 2020 was a washout, but by 2022 we were doing 60+ gigs a year. Just over a year ago, I called it quits. I live in Massachusetts. Too many late nights on the highway, complaints from the Very Significant Other that I wasn't available for vacations, etc. What happened after that was not so great:

Since December 2023, this was my audition experience:
#1: Guitarist I met a few years ago wants to start an instrumental surf band. No idea where the project is going, but I got nothing else to do, so I join up. We play three gigs, and the bandleader calls the whole thing off.
#2 Good reception, nice folks, but an even longer drive to rehearsals. No thanks.
#3: Pleasant audition. Then I went to see them with the bass player who was leaving. He decided not to leave.
#4: Never had a full-band audition. Never met the front woman/bandleader until the first gig! Played one two hour set with them. Whoa! Kind of a mess. Not my scene at all. Making it worse, I’d invited local friends to come see me play, because they could walk to the venue rather than drive an hour. After the first 5 minutes, I was signaling them to go home.
#5: Good band, good players, not too far away, felt like it went well. The morning after, they sent me a note praising me for being easygoing and "a top notch" player. And that it was a tough decision but they were hiring the singer's boyfriend.
#6: Auditioned to be lead singer (no bass). They said: “We’ve auditioned 5 people. We promised another singer for next week, but that’s it. You’re the best we’ve seen.” Two days later, I got an e-mail from them saying their lead guitarist was leaving due to health issues. Did I want to audition as singing bass player? I looked closely at the set list, and knew I would not be able to make a go of it. I started joking with my buddies from the CT band: "I think Jesus doesn't want me to play anymore."
If nothing else, I've greatly expanded my musical knowledge, learning other peoples' set lists. "I can't go on. I go on." Etc.
 
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I've had to surrender to "nothing is going to come as fast as you want it" a lot lately. I'm so sick of starting over myself, but after going through auditions like OP I have sort of ended up in the same place I was 9 years ago. If it's going to be what I want, if it's going to be how I want it, and if it's going to be as well rehearsed as I need it then I'm going to need to make it happen myself.

I'm not a bandleader, but I'm good at bringing in people and putting bodies in chairs to talk and write. The unfortunate thing is that also is a long time commitment where it feels like you might be able to just join something already established. That'd be ideal, but it can be hard. Where I live, there's like a bakers dozen of actual bands and then it's all regional acts so making my own was sort of a given when I moved here. I just didn't want to accept it.
 
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Had 7 auditions/trials over the last 2-3 years. Mix of originals and cover bands. Only 1 of those chose another player over me, I said no thanks to 1 of them, & the rest fizzled out due to the band’s vagueness/bullsh*t/lack of direction.

Each one has involved working on a chunk of material. The originals could be creative, the covers sometimes a pain to study note by note. So I’m putting in a fair amount of time to prepare for audition & follow ups.

I’ve had 2 sessions with the latest project. The first was OK, friendly chat afterwards, they seem pleased enough. The current bass player is doing a handover and was sat watching me – no pressure!

But the 2nd time was quite different. The band leader was kind of officious & standoffish and the rest didn’t say much to me. I felt like the stranger in the room – it was a freezing cold hall, & I couldn’t relax into it. Made a few slips but they also made their own mistakes (and they’ve been gigging the songs for ages). They are now ‘going to let me know’….

I’d got myself quite nervous about it all and came away pretty drained.

I just question why am I putting myself through this again & again?



Bottom line is I set my goal 3 yrs ago, to getting into a decent semi pro band, away from the amateur chaos. But then the amateur days were the most fun! We were naïve and had great laughs. But I then fell into role of 'band organiser' because no one else could be arsed. Sorting everything out, rather than concentrated on my playing, didnt get enough support.


I just feel a bit disillusioned with the ‘trying to join pro bands scenario’….I'm 62 now (although fit and young for my age), so feel if it doesn't click soon, it will be too late.

Auditions are just weird. You’re trying to focus on the music, atmosphere is somewhat ‘strained’. Then you’re also having to assess the others while they are assessing you – a lot of headspace?!! So many questions going on:

Can you be yourself easily in such situations?

Are you trying to (over) please?

Do you click after such a short time?

Do want to spend time with them?

Is the band solid? Will they last?



Anyone else relate? Feel free to share your experiences.
When I audition, I ask for chord charts for three tunes and a recording. I'm not going to learn a pile of material on spec.
When I audition people, I give them chord charts for three tunes and a recording. Because if they're not a fit, I don't want to suffer through more than fifteen minutes of playing music with them.
I can tell in the first three minutes if someone's playing is a fit--you look around at everyone else in the room and raise an eyebrow and see if they nod or shake their head.
Or if they show up without having learned the tunes (at least well enough to read them off the charts during the audition), or late, or they bring food or booze to the audition, or with patchwork gear that flakes out, that they're not going to be a good fit.
 
I've been very lucky over the years. Since 2004--including a move from North Carolina to Massachusetts--I've been working almost every weekend. The last nine years with a very successful bar band out of Manchester CT. Obviously, 2020 was a washout, but by 2022 we were doing 60+ gigs a year. Just over a year ago, I called it quits. I live in Massachusetts. Too many late nights on the highway, complaints from the Very Significant Other that I wasn't available for vacations, etc. What happened after that was not so great:

Since December 2023, this was my audition experience:
#1: Guitarist I met a few years ago wants to start an instrumental surf band. No idea where the project is going, but I got nothing else to do, so I join up. We play three gigs, and the bandleader calls the whole thing off.
#2 Good reception, nice folks, but an even longer drive to rehearsals. No thanks.
#3: Pleasant audition. Then I went to see them with the bass player who was leaving. He decided not to leave.
#4: Never had a full-band audition. Never met the front woman/bandleader until the first gig! Played one two hour set with them. Whoa! Kind of a mess. Not my scene at all. Making it worse, I’d invited local friends to come see me play, because they could walk to the venue rather than drive an hour. After the first 5 minutes, I was signaling them to go home.
#5: Good band, good players, not too far away, felt like it went well. The morning after, they sent me a note praising me for being easygoing and "a top notch" player. And that it was a tough decision but they were hiring the singer's boyfriend.
#6: Auditioned to be lead singer (no bass). They said: “We’ve auditioned 5 people. We promised another singer for next week, but that’s it. You’re the best we’ve seen.” Two days later, I got an e-mail from them saying their lead guitarist was leaving due to health issues. Did I want to audition as singing bass player? I looked closely at the set list, and knew I would not be able to make a go of it. I started joking with my buddies from the CT band: "I think Jesus doesn't want me to play anymore."
If nothing else, I've greatly expanded my musical knowledge, learning other peoples' set lists. "I can't go on. I go on." Etc.
#4 - so did your friends go home?
 
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