Tort pickguard nuances

Here's my $12 Amazon Pickguard.
Looks pretty good to me and fit wonderfully.
Maybe I just don't get worked up about such.
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I been reading. And trying figure it out.. This is my list and process idea
Amazon 20.00 2pt epoxy longer drying time is a good thing
Ebay 2.00 24k foil. For direct backing above the plastic or ..
Dollar tree Eyeshadow in the colors ya want
2-3 colors
Torch.
Plastic cups
Dull Tooth picks
Popsicle sticks
Sheet of plastic or metal plate for backing
Sand paper for polishing and clean up the sheet afterwards..

I think the easiest way. Is to make a sheet of it then cut it down.

Light colors pour first
Dark pours last..
Practice your pouring
And using the torch or heat gun.. To remove bubbles

The popsicle sticks and tooth picked to stir and push the colors around.

Keep the torch ready for bubbles..

When dry.. Cut to size.. Plus doing it this way.. No need to worry about it pulling away from the edge..

That my idea for the process..
 
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On an unrelated note Spitfire's preachy religious crap on his website is fairly nauseating to me. When it comes to business you need to keep your personal religious views in your pants and out of sight.

Probably a smarter business decision. But as a customer I like knowing as much information as possible about the product and what kind of a person I'm giving my money to.
 
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Let’s see.
Talkbass arguments: :)

Is this tort good for “......?”
No one needs a tort pg.
The audience doesn’t care.
The audience can’t tell the difference.
Why can’t a $15. pg suffice?
You’re getting ripped off by the people selling more expensive ones.
All tort pgs are the same.
You poseurs are the only ones who would pay more for a tort pg.
You think you’re better than I am.
You can’t see the difference.
If you think you can it’s in your mind.
We A/B tested this so you can’t know what you perceive.
There is no difference between 8 gauge and 16 gauge tort.
I’m using IEM so I’m above this discussion.
You’re playing too loud so get them to turn down or find another band that will appreciate your quiet tort pg.
This tort is good enough for me so it’s should be for you.
Is this the right thread to discuss Tort Reform?

Did I miss anything? :)
How much more does real tort weigh? If it ads more than 1mg to the weight of the bass, I don't want it.
 
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Is Spitfire making their tort in-house? IIRC there are still a few producers of real celluloid tort in Italy but those sheets get mega expensive.
There are companies in China that make real celluloid tort sheets in a myriad of colours and pattern types. I looked into it before. The problem is you gotta order 1000 or more sheets. They are primarily making this stuff for eyeglass frames.
 
As to the flammable nature of cellulose nitrate, read up on film restoration. Silent movies were recorded on nitrate and caused some incredibly destructive fires. There was a treasure trove of old films found underwater in Alaska. The studios would send out copies to be shown in theatres. Some copies would make the rounds from California up the coast to Alaska. When they reached the last stop they were considered expendable due to the cost to ship them back. They ended up submerged in a river after the theatre closed. The cold water protected them and they are, in some cases, the only surviving prints of these silent films. Many films were lost due to deterioration as well. This is the same effect as shrinking is. Using safer materials to mimic potentially dangerous ones is always wise. Using your imagination to make convincing replicas is the key.
 
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Let’s see.
Talkbass arguments: :)

Did I miss anything? :)

Tort, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Tort, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, why'all

Tort, huh, good god
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing, listen to me

Oh, Tort, I despise
'Cause it means destruction of innocent lives

Tort means tears to thousands of mothers eyes
When their sons go to fight
And lose their lives

I said, Tort, huh good god, why'all
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing say it again

Tort, whoa, lord
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing, listen to me

it ain't nothing but a heart-breaker
(Tort) friend only to the undertaker
Oh, Tort it's an enemy to all mankind
The point of Tort blows my mind
Tort has caused unrest
Within the younger generation
Induction then destruction
Who wants to die, ah, Tort-huh, good god…
 
Tort, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Tort, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, why'all

Tort, huh, good god
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing, listen to me

Oh, Tort, I despise
'Cause it means destruction of innocent lives

Tort means tears to thousands of mothers eyes
When their sons go to fight
And lose their lives

I said, Tort, huh good god, why'all
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing say it again

Tort, whoa, lord
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing, listen to me

it ain't nothing but a heart-breaker
(Tort) friend only to the undertaker
Oh, Tort it's an enemy to all mankind
The point of Tort blows my mind
Tort has caused unrest
Within the younger generation
Induction then destruction
Who wants to die, ah, Tort-huh, good god…
With songwriting skills like that you're bound to become a star... Edwin Starr.
 
I have purchased 3 and have had a few email exchanges with the man. It’s always been professional and he has always been straight shooting. Jesus never came up and you have to navigate off to find the opinion so have no fear you will not be abducted or forced to join a cult.
 
I have purchased 3 and have had a few email exchanges with the man. It’s always been professional and he has always been straight shooting. Jesus never came up and you have to navigate off to find the opinion so have no fear you will not be abducted or forced to join a cult.

When I clicked "About Spitfire" I was looking for an explanation of how he makes the pickguards, not some embarrassing sky fairy stuff.
 
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Let’s see.
Talkbass arguments: :)

Is this tort good for “......?”
No one needs a tort pg.
The audience doesn’t care.
The audience can’t tell the difference.
Why can’t a $15. pg suffice?
You’re getting ripped off by the people selling more expensive ones.
All tort pgs are the same.
You poseurs are the only ones who would pay more for a tort pg.
You think you’re better than I am.
You can’t see the difference.
If you think you can it’s in your mind.
We A/B tested this so you can’t know what you perceive.
There is no difference between 8 gauge and 16 gauge tort.
I’m using IEM so I’m above this discussion.
You’re playing too loud so get them to turn down or find another band that will appreciate your quiet tort pg.
This tort is good enough for me so it’s should be for you.
Is this the right thread to discuss Tort Reform?

Did I miss anything? :)
Yes! You missed the "ok boomer" argument.
 
Tort pickguards are interesting!

Spitfire are the only guys on the block making period accurate tort. This comes down to the volatility of the materials involved apparently.

Saying that, most tort pickguards are wrong for a number of reasons. A '60s tort pickguard has a thin black ply, whereas every modern pickguard has equally thick white and black layers under the tort. Vintage tort is also a thick slab on top of the upper white layer, whereas modern tort pickguards typically have a thin layer. When you see a true '60s pickguard the top slab of tort is thick enough for you to get a proper sideways look through it on the bevel.

The tort effect in a '60s pickguard is fuzzier than in a modern tort pickguard. The colours blend into each other at the edges.

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Finally vintage pickguards have a 30 degree bevel, versus a modern 45 degree pitch. On aged pickguards this bevel becomes even more relaxed, down to 25 degrees or so, as the celluloid tort layer shrinks back. In the detailed photo here you can see how each layer subtly blends into the next, the black layer is thin and the tort layer is thick! There is also tooling chatter all over the bevel. The white layers aren't perfectly white either. At a guess the bottom layer is parchment white and the top layer is 'mint', but they aren't solid, consistent colours.

My go-to mod for pickguards is to increase the bevel to 30 degrees.

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This is an Amazon 'Floer' pickguard I paid about £15 for (in a pack of two!). The red and yellow layer is pretty nice, albeit thinner than a vintage pickguard. I've decreased the pitch of the bevel to around 30 degrees. The white layer is too starkly white and the black layer is too thick.


Oddly enough the '60s Fender used a different tort on '60s Mustang basses. The red is a lot redder, and there isn't a lower white layer. The layers are tort/white/black with a thick black layer.

Most Tort Fender now make is too dark (though apparently '60s tort started out dark and fades over time). There is no 'movement' within this tort. The dark bits are dark, the light bits are like white/cream blobs, and there isn't much interaction between the two. Conversely Fender Japan used a tomato soup red tort for the longest time with no real variance in shade in it.

This is what '60s tort is all about, per my description above:

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I've bought a lot of tort pickguards! Here are some, and the major issues with each:
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Cheap Ebay. Too much pink in the mix, some very dark spots and random almost white/cream spots. I increased the bevel on this pickguard to vintage specs.

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Less cheap Ebay, from Singapore! Printed tort effect with visible DPI. A photo of tort laminated onto a 3-ply white pickguard. Again added vintage bevel, but very overpriced for a cheap unit.

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Dark celluloid tort. Again quite cheap on Amazon. Looks like a Gila Monster. Good if you want a '70s Japanese 'Lawsuit' vibe as they used black/yellow big-swirl tort like this.


Finally, here's some more I wasted money on!

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Top right is brown, 'celluloid' (allegedly) guard imported to the UK by somebody on the Basschat forum. The brown layer was thin, lifeless looking and shrinking rapidly around all the edges and routes. Note that it is deep brown, with small cream spots here and there. Check the second Gila Monster tort pickguard bottom left, and second pinky-tort pickguard bottom right.

Hey Axstar, thanks for taking the time to write that up and include the images. That was interesting. I have yet to own any tort, but I have two beater P copies that could get pickguard replacements someday...

...that said, I may be a tort heathen mouthbreather but I find my eye drawn to that “Gila monster/70s lawsuit” pattern. Will have to check Amazon...

Anyway, that was a cool tort presentation and I enjoyed it.
 
There are 3 generations of tort:

1) The real stuff, where tortoises had to die to get the raw material. Thankfully, we're not implicated in this.

2) The old fake stuff, which, if you're not careful, can burn like there's no tomorrow. And it shrinks.

3) The newer fake stuff, which has neither of the two problems of version 2. It may or may not look like version 2, but version 2 was always fake anyway. There's no such thing as "authentic" tort on any bass guitar that I know of - it's just a look. If you like it, it's good. If not, buy something else.