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Trace Elliot Elf 2x8 cab
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So I pulled one out and looked its the Faital 16 ohm 8PR200.
For giggles Im going to try an 8 ohm set of these to drop the cab to 4 ohms to goose the amp headroom a little. I've always wanted to try this type of experiment so I'm going to do it. I may fail miserably but I will report back.
Looking at the specs on these I don't see why the speakers wouldn't handle the juice they look to be pretty darn robust and the amp is a Max of maybe 200 W and it's got a built-in compressor so it doesn't slam very hard it's a lot stinking louder with a 4-ohm load I do understand that's also additional speaker cone area but I want to see what it'll do to drop this thing to four into this one cab. Inquiring minds want to know.
Also for those that would like to know this cab appears to be manufactured like a brick outhouse the quality is outstanding.
Going from an 8Ω load to a 4Ω one without increasing the speaker count will not make all that much difference in volume.
Agreed. Though increasing the amount of wattage to the same speaker cone area volume will definitely increase the amount of clean Headroom available.
Case in point take your average high end 2x10 8 ohm speaker cab and power it with a 250 watt Micro amp listen to that for a few minutes and then swap amps for a 900 watt Micro amp. If you don't hear a difference your deaf. The difference in power Authority control of the lower frequencies and Dynamics will be like night and day. And that's what I'm going for here thank you very much.
Headroom is only headroom if the speakers can use the extra power. 9/10 they can't.
Going for minimum impedance load just to get an extra 3dB of power only helps when the amp is too small.
In the case of Elf and its 2x8 it's likely to give the whole 3dB extra. Big investment in drivers for that little bit more.
Going for minimum impedance load just to get an extra 3dB of power only helps when the amp is too small.
In the case of Elf and its 2x8 it's likely to give the whole 3dB extra. Big investment in drivers for that little bit more.
Interesting observation and I suspect the reason why the Mesa Walkabout Scout combo was normally 4 Ohm. IME the WA tends to get a tad woolly when it runs out of steam - not being critical, I own a WA head and a WA Scout 112 combo. I'd imagine an efficient 8 Ohm driver in that same cab would actually be close to just as loud as the 4 Ohm, but you'd probably push the amp a closer to its clean limits a little sooner. Just a guess?
So the drivers are marked on the back 400 watts each and the amp is 200 watts at 4 ohms so Im fairly certain they will take it. Just an experiment.
Placed the order today will report back.
Also I know this is TB sacriledge but I think the cab is big enough to handle the power. Guess I could test it with my GK MB500 fusion which is 350 watts at 8 ohms .
Placed the order today will report back.
Also I know this is TB sacriledge but I think the cab is big enough to handle the power. Guess I could test it with my GK MB500 fusion which is 350 watts at 8 ohms .
For the cost of carrying the MB you could use the Elf as a preamp and get equal volume without spending a cent.
And what would be the fun in that?
So I tried the MB into the 2/8 at 350 watts and the difference is night and day now it's a different amp and all but still the amount of power on tap is easily Audible and the cab handles it fine so I'm guessing the 4 ohm load is going to suck more juice out of the Elf and make the cabinet pump a little harder just a hunch though.
Your money must come easier than most. There's some real fun to come if you can demo your 4 ohm conversion against a pair of the regular ones someday.
So its going to be a while as I'm awaiting the parts to come over on a boat (4 weeks). Due to the cost involved I opted to recone the existing drivers with OEM parts rather than a whole set of extra drivers. My money comes vary hard and I work my butt off for it.
I really think the rig should have been offered as a 4 ohm cab option as the drivers will take the extra juice easily.
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The Trace 2x8 is an 8 ohm cabinet. Two of the 2x8 cabinets will create a 4 ohm load. The ELF head is capable of 130 watts at 8 ohms (1 cabinet) or 200 watts at 4 ohms (2 cabinets).
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What's the deal with the two inputs on the 2x8 ELF? Is it for plugging in two amps for a mini bi-amp rig? MF.com says it's 16 ohms but I'm guessing that IF you only use one input, it functions like a normal 8 ohm cab, correct? I would consider buy two of these for gigging and running them in stereo with a Sansamp as a splitter. One affected signal out to one mini-stack and the unaffected out to the other. Mini Chris Squire rig.
They are parallel inputs so you can daisy-chain two 8-ohm cabinets, for a combined 4-ohm load. One speaker cable from the head to the first cabinet, and a second speaker cable from the first cabinet to the second cabinet.
To run a stereo rig, you would not daisy-chain. Rather, you would connect your "wet" channel to the first cabinet, and your "dry" channel to the second cabinet. Each channel would be 8 ohms impedance.
@jeff7bass Same answer MF have their facts wrong or you are misrepresenting them. It's an 8 ohm cab.