They were one of the largest players in the bass amplification market. They also made small runs of extremely high quality basses that are very much sought after still, today. In the 1990s, they also expanded into acoustic guitar amps, dominating that field for years, and they also produced several excellent lines of guitar amplifiers, some of which were sold as Gibson amps after Gibson bought Trace Elliot from Kaman.
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Trace Elliot is stepping up...By going small.....
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They were one of the largest players in the bass amplification market. They also made small runs of extremely high quality basses that are very much sought after still, today. In the 1990s, they also expanded into acoustic guitar amps, dominating that field for years, and they also produced several excellent lines of guitar amplifiers, some of which were sold as Gibson amps after Gibson bought Trace Elliot from Kaman.
I was quite surprised about the marketing, which is more reminiscent of 25 years ago. I thought we'd moved on a bit.
Odd, I've never had an FOH engineer ask for post, and given I'd want to be able to adjust EQ for the stage nor would I want them to. Once an engineer tweaked the big EQ balance knob to make it very treble as he said there was too much bass on stage, and if he'd been taking post EQ I might as well have been playing guitar.
The engineer who figures out how to get 800 - 1000 watts into an amp that size, with speakon, DI out, etc. will be very rich man.
i was a non-believer until i saw this cat in a cover band over in Venice, Italy playing a Fodera Monarch through a bergantino 410 cab and a GK MB200...totally floored...i don't like fodera basses, but the tone he got through that rig was nothing short of amazing
really interested in this tiny trace stuff, looks super cool...i have tried about all of the old trace stuff and always wanted one, it sounds great, i don't care about weight...except this pr410hlf i have, that's just ridiculous...idk, this stuff just looks neat
I'm a little off topic, but if I'm understanding what you've stated here I wanted to correct a misconception. Any DI signal that goes to the FOH from an amp DI is one way only. Whether it's pre or post EQ that signal is what the engineer gets to work with and any adjustment he makes on that end has no effect on the sound coming out of the stage amp.
Putting on my soundguy cap, a post EQ signal is sometimes less desirable if the EQ changes on the amp are drastic. If the sound coming off the stage is bassy due to a big bass boost on the amp and that's the signal that hitting board then there may be no choice but to cut the bass EQ out of the FOH channel, or add mids and treble. That FOH adjustment would not affect the stage amp, but it may affect what the musician is hearing on stage due to the change in the house sound (I.E. if the bass is pulled from the subwoofers that could greatly affect the "feel" of the stage).
No misunderstanding on my part. The FOH engineer in this particular instance took a pre EQ DI to get a signal without EQ but felt the onstage amp, which was essentially for monitoring on stage, was bleeding too much low frequency out into the audience and comb filtering again the main PA, so fixed that, by killing all the low frequencies on stage, although it was a pretty hideous onstage sound. With the new Trace Elliot amp it would be hard to that without a separate DI, and as far as I remember the old TE pre EQ still went through the initial stages of the pre amp, so was more pleasing than the typical venue provided DI box.
I will have to wait for something with at least switchable DI and speak on. A loop is handy when EQ is relatively coarse, as then there's an option to drop a graphic or parametric EQ in there to take out a room or stage resonance, or the resonant frequency of the snare drum.
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I hope it's nice too, another commentor mentioned that it uses a similar power section to the Peavey mini mega, which is a little troubling considering how many reviews I've seen of that amp overheating. Generally a smaller box doesn't make something easier to cool, I was about to pre-order one before I saw that information. Who knows, they might be just fine, regardless, in a couple years from now we will be bringing three or 4 amps to every gig
Well, if you really want to play the ELF, its time to leave your comfort zone. Realize that this amp only provides 200 Watt. So a 1/4" - speaker out is enough. Some bass amps with a lot more power use it. So why always flaming about that?
If you prefer other amps, and they do have speakon connectors, this is absolutely OK.
I know that the electric light was not invented by improving wax candles. But most people are OK with 1/4" plugs, an old and proven way to connect amps and cabs.
There is no problem. You can daisy-chain two cabs with parallel in/out. In this case the cabs will be work in parallel mode. I don't know a single cab with a in/out, that is not wired in parallel.
Most decent speaker cabinets have at least two parallel jacks on them, with this there is no need for a special cable... you just simply plug the second cab into the first cab. This is how I am sure it's intended to be done. No need for special speakon four conductor cables or split cables. It's a very simple, tried and true method that's been around for years.
The ELF is configured just fine to handle a 4 ohm load in any combination of speaker cabs that are designed to be used in this fashion. There is no deficiency here whatsoever.
Four conductor speakon configurations are not common at all. Mostly the speakon is used for a more secure connection in high power setups. I cannot think of one manufacturer that uses four conductor cables in a normal power amp/speaker system.
Some of you are just spoiled and don't realize that speakon connectors are relatively new in the world of bass amplification.
They are used by Gallien Krueger to connect amps and cabs when using the biamp option. But you have to use either original GK-Cabs - or cabs that are wired like original GK-cabs.
You have to be carefull or make at least sure, that the cable with the four conductor speakon connectors stays with the GK - rig. This cable may cause problems when using them with "normal" wired cabs with a two cunductor Speakon connector and an internal crossover.
