U.S. Women's National Soccer Team

#25
Lobster11 said:
Just want to toss in the point that while Alex Morgan's five goals (deservedly) has gotten a lot of press, she also had three assists -- a fact typically relegated to footnotes. Maybe it's just my bass-player mentality, but I really wish assists got as much attention and credit as goals scored.
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Definitely feel casual or World Cup only fans do not appreciate the beauty of an assist. As mentioned, many times the assist is the more technically difficult part of the goal.

If they handled goals and assists like hockey's point structure there may be better understanding from a casual fan standpoint. But maybe not here in the ole USA.
 
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viper4000 said:
Definitely feel casual or World Cup only fans do not appreciate the beauty of an assist. As mentioned, many times the assist is the more technically difficult part of the goal.

If they handled goals and assists like hockey's point structure there may be better understanding from a casual fan standpoint. But maybe not here in the ole USA.
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I really wish soccer would adopt hockey scoring conventions by (1) awarding two assists on a goal when appropriate, and (2) keeping a statistic of "points" that equals goals + assists. Abby Wambach and Christine Sinclair have both eclipsed Mia Hamm's record for international goals scored, but neither would be anywhere close to Hamm in terms of goals + assists.

But here's the one that really sticks in my craw: the "own goal" in soccer. Tobin Heath's brilliant goal today was taken away from her and scored as an "own goal" because it deflected off a defender. This kind of scoring is cruel to the person who earned the goal (in this case Tobin), and even moreso to the defender who is saddled with the "own goal." In hockey a deflected goal is attributed to the attacker who touched it last -- and who almost always deserves it. For the life of me I cannot understand why the same isn't true in soccer.

All that said, the US looked solid today and I'm pretty happy with the performance.
 
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#33
blue4 said:
The men and women national teams get paid? Hello Google...


Apparently they do. Shows what I know about soccer. The wage disparity is pathetic, considering the women are more successful both on and off the field.
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I'm betting the women's team could embarrass the men's team right now if they were to square off. Maybe they should play a match, and maybe it would inspire some equity, and not only in pay.
 
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farace said:
I'm betting the women's team could embarrass the men's team right now if they were to square off. Maybe they should play a match, and maybe it would inspire some equity, and not only in pay.
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Maybe. I'm not familiar with soccer but I do know that in most physical sports the best women would have trouble getting on an average men's team. That should have no bearing on US women's team earnings though, as they are more successful and bring in more money and prestige.
 
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Lobster11 said:
I really wish soccer would adopt hockey scoring conventions by (1) awarding two assists on a goal when appropriate, and (2) keeping a statistic of "points" that equals goals + assists. Abby Wambach and Christine Sinclair have both eclipsed Mia Hamm's record for international goals scored, but neither would be anywhere close to Hamm in terms of goals + assists.

But here's the one that really sticks in my craw: the "own goal" in soccer. Tobin Heath's brilliant goal today was taken away from her and scored as an "own goal" because it deflected off a defender. This kind of scoring is cruel to the person who earned the goal (in this case Tobin), and even moreso to the defender who is saddled with the "own goal." In hockey a deflected goal is attributed to the attacker who touched it last -- and who almost always deserves it. For the life of me I cannot understand why the same isn't true in soccer.

All that said, the US looked solid today and I'm pretty happy with the performance.
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I'm pretty sure outside the US, commentators never mention statistics during the game. They focus on the action.
 
#36
blue4 said:
Maybe. I'm not familiar with soccer but I do know that in most physical sports the best women would have trouble getting on an average men's team. That should have no bearing on US women's team earnings though, as they are more successful and bring in more money and prestige.
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The US women would lose to the worst MLS team and probably even the worst USL team.

The US women are definitely more successful but I'm not sure whether they bring in more money or not than the men when you look at a full 4-year cycle as the men's World Cup is so much bigger than the women's World Cup. I'd like to see the pay roughly match what the teams bring in. The other factor is that the women are paid so much less at their club teams that they are willing to play for the short money that USSoccer offers whereas the men want more for national team duty.
 
#37
dangnewt said:
The US women would lose to the worst MLS team and probably even the worst USL team.

The US women are definitely more successful but I'm not sure whether they bring in more money or not than the men when you look at a full 4-year cycle as the men's World Cup is so much bigger than the women's World Cup. I'd like to see the pay roughly match what the teams bring in. The other factor is that the women are paid so much less at their club teams that they are willing to play for the short money that USSoccer offers whereas the men want more for national team duty.
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According to the Wall Street Journal, the USSF reports that the women have earned more then the men the last three years.

That may not be as much as the men over the full 4 year cycle you're talking about, but I'd say it at least shows they are severely underpaid.
 
#38
farace said:
I'm betting the women's team could embarrass the men's team right now if they were to square off. Maybe they should play a match, and maybe it would inspire some equity, and not only in pay.
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Doubt that, a couple of years ago the Dallas under 15 boys side beat the US woman’s team 5-2.
 
#39
Anyone watching AUS vs NOR? It’s a great match, and now it’s just about headed for PKs.

ETA: Well. Turns out the Matildas need to work on their penalty kicks. Good game, anyhow, for 120 minutes.
 
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#40
Picton said:
Anyone watching AUS vs NOR? It’s a great match, and now it’s just about headed for PKs.

ETA: Well. Turns out the Matildas need to work on their penalty kicks. Good game, anyhow, for 120 minutes.
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I saw most of it and concur. The fitness level of both teams is insane. Going a player down in the extra periods may have worn the Aussies out a bit such that even though they were able to get to the PKs, they were too gassed to convert. It shows that there are no longer just 7 teams with a realistic shot at winning this thing (the US, Germany, Norway and Japan are the only teams to have won and those teams plus China, Sweden and Brazil are the only ones to be runner-ups) Now, you have to add Australia (well not any more, but you know what I mean), England, France, Canada, Netherlands, Spain and Italy to the list of teams that with a realistic shot at the finals.
 
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