UPDATE - What Does this Damage Look Like to You? (Nitro Fender American Vintage II 1960 P-Bass)

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Hi Gang,

Hoping you can help me here. I just got done dropping off one of my brand new basses to a tech who I haven’t used before, for a quick pickup swap. This is a Fender American Vinatge II 1960 Precision Bass, which I purchased brand new from Sweetwater.

I am that guy who is super meticulous with gear and taking care of it, polishing and wiping down and cleaning strings after playing, etc. As such, I make it a point to go through the instruments with old or new techs at drop-off, so that they know they’re not marred and have an understanding of how much I care for my instruments.

This bass is a nitro finish, was brand new and opened the case once or twice played to test tone and went for its pickup swap. I opened the case again at drop off as mentioned and it’s a black bass, you’d see any marks on it.

I got this message from the tech a few minutes ago stating the following:

“Just noticed this as I was putting the P-Bass back in the case. It looks old to me, like it’s an old filled hole or has some dirt build up in it. Just want to make sure you are aware of it. Sometimes people don’t realize these things so I like to point them out of if I notice them.”

He included one pic of it really close where I couldn’t even tell where the mark was, so I asked for a second pic with a guitar pick next to it… it turns out it was on the top — where we’d both have clearly seen during drop off and made note of it.

He definitely claims he didn’t drop a screwdriver on it and saw it when wiping it down, but there was “no chip on the rag” when he noticed it.

To me it looks like the soldering iron hit it, but I’m not sure. At this point what can I do, it was a brand new bass, and it is what it. Just curious if you guys with way more experience than me could maybe drop me some pointers on what you think it may be or what it looks like, again I went through the bass with him and it’s been opened once or twice just in the house before going for it’s swap.

He says it may have been a hole that was epoxied at the factory and then the nitro came off there, but I dunno… any ideas? And what’s the best way to fix something like this? Hurts bad seeing this on any bass, let alone a brand new bass.

Placement alone on the damage, there’s no way in hell I (or both of us) wouldn’t have noticed that prior. But it does look like a screw hole too, and I know Fender may get “creative” with repairs to where it was drilled wrong, filled, temp changed and the epoxy or whatever they used shrunk down… then the top nitro chipped off when being wiped down… I’m not sure and left scratching my head.

Thanks in advance for any help or ideas.
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I would have noticed that INSTANTLY, if you didn’t see it at drop off, it wasn’t there. I think the tech dropped something, now he’s BS’ing you. Not sure what to advise if he sticks to denial. Luckily a ding like that on a black bass is fairly easy to fix, though you shouldn’t have to. Time for a new tech, maybe? The simplest would be a “drop fill” with black laquer and clear nitro, but black CA or Gluboost would work too, or even black nail polish, which is just laquer. The hard part is leveling and buffing it out invisibly.
 
Tentative opinion is that it's impact damage of some kind. If you zoom in on the middle of the hole, you can see what looks like surface finish that's been punched into the body. It's interesting as well that that finish crack/flake-off looks more like polyester of some kind. I know fender advertise the Vintage IIs as 'Gloss Nitrocellulose Lacquer Finish' but, really, all they have to do to make that legal is shoot nitro clear over the top.
 
This is a band new bass? Seems like a lot of scratches near that hole/dent. But that's me.
I was thinking the same thing, note that you don’t see those fine scratches anywhere other than really around the hole where it may have been polished… if you look at the zoomed out pic, out of the LED’s, you don’t see the fine polish scratches, but it is a black nitro bass, so I understand everything shows up close. I dunno, brand new bass from Sweetwater, go figure.
 
I would have noticed that INSTANTLY, if you didn’t see it at drop off, it wasn’t there. I think the tech dropped something, now he’s BS’ing you. Not sure what to advise if he sticks to denial. Luckily a ding like that on a black bass is fairly easy to fix, though you shouldn’t have to. Time for a new tech, maybe? The simplest would be a “drop fill” with black laquer and clear nitro, but black CA or Gluboost would work too, or even black nail polish, which is just laquer. The hard part is leveling and buffing it out invisibly.
Yeah @Gilmourisgod thank you for the insight, I have to wonder to the same thing. I don’t like blaming folks or getting upset because I mean what’s done is done, but there’s no way I (or probably anyone) wouldn’t have noticed that prior.

If it’s not damage from the tech, it’s gotta be an old fill and fix at the factory to get it off the line, the bass wasn’t a factory second or demo or anything, so I’m just left wondering.

Good news is he said he’s going to repair it for free, and if it doesn’t look up to specs for me he’s going to pay to have it fixed which is integrity on his behalf. That said it’s still a bummer and I am just left wondering what happened there.

I was gonna keep and play this bass so I’m sure it’ll see its share of weird things over the years, so I guess this is the first of those, making it my own — that’s the only way I can look at the situation. Hoping it turns out great and thank you for the help with the repair insight too!!
 
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IMO and unfortunately IME it looks like it was fumbled on the bench and landed on one of the pg screws or something similar. It’s looks like good hit that a slippery 10lb bass is capable of.
Good for you for taking it in stride. Most would lose their minds over this but character always comes out on top if you have it.
 
IMO and unfortunately IME it looks like it was fumbled on the bench and landed on one of the pg screws or something similar. It’s looks like good hit that a slippery 10lb bass is capable of.
Good for you for taking it in stride. Most would lose their minds over this but character always comes out on top if you have it.
Thank you sincerely both for chiming in and also for the kind words and encouragement, yeah I am that guy that am losing my mind inside but I mean what’s done is done at this point. I’m grateful it was on this bass which was gonna be a workhorse, but as a (novice) collector, it does hurt a ton too.

Gotta just take it on the chin and hope that the repair looks good enough to pass, one of those things that YOU will always notice but others wouldn’t at first glance.

It’s funny, in some cultures, when you bust something or break something like a glass or something like this, they say “ahh it had bad juju, and that got rid of that,” (it let it escape)… I know it’s probably wishful thinking handed down over the years but I guess I gotta just look at it as the bass being “cleansed” now :drool:
 
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I would propose to the tech that he repair the damage at no cost. Definitely looks like impact from a pointed tool.
Thanks Buldog5151, yeah for sure he said he’ll fix it for free and if it’s not up to snuff, he’d pay to have it repaired elsewhere so definitely integrity. Always appreciate your kind words and help anytime I’ve posted, my friend.

Edit: I’ll post pics of the repair, bass will be in the shop to cure for longer than expected but that’s ok.
 
Hi Gang,

Hoping you can help me here. I just got done dropping off one of my brand new basses to a tech who I haven’t used before, for a quick pickup swap. This is a Fender American Vinatge II 1960 Precision Bass, which I purchased brand new from Sweetwater.

I am that guy who is super meticulous with gear and taking care of it, polishing and wiping down and cleaning strings after playing, etc. As such, I make it a point to go through the instruments with old or new techs at drop-off, so that they know they’re not marred and have an understanding of how much I care for my instruments.

This bass is a nitro finish, was brand new and opened the case once or twice played to test tone and went for its pickup swap. I opened the case again at drop off as mentioned and it’s a black bass, you’d see any marks on it.

I got this message from the tech a few minutes ago stating the following:

“Just noticed this as I was putting the P-Bass back in the case. It looks old to me, like it’s an old filled hole or has some dirt build up in it. Just want to make sure you are aware of it. Sometimes people don’t realize these things so I like to point them out of if I notice them.”

He included one pic of it really close where I couldn’t even tell where the mark was, so I asked for a second pic with a guitar pick next to it… it turns out it was on the top — where we’d both have clearly seen during drop off and made note of it.

He definitely claims he didn’t drop a screwdriver on it and saw it when wiping it down, but there was “no chip on the rag” when he noticed it.

To me it looks like the soldering iron hit it, but I’m not sure. At this point what can I do, it was a brand new bass, and it is what it. Just curious if you guys with way more experience than me could maybe drop me some pointers on what you think it may be or what it looks like, again I went through the bass with him and it’s been opened once or twice just in the house before going for it’s swap.

He says it may have been a hole that was epoxied at the factory and then the nitro came off there, but I dunno… any ideas? And what’s the best way to fix something like this? Hurts bad seeing this on any bass, let alone a brand new bass.

Placement alone on the damage, there’s no way in hell I (or both of us) wouldn’t have noticed that prior. But it does look like a screw hole too, and I know Fender may get “creative” with repairs to where it was drilled wrong, filled, temp changed and the epoxy or whatever they used shrunk down… then the top nitro chipped off when being wiped down… I’m not sure and left scratching my head.

Thanks in advance for any help or ideas.
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The tech did it.

That is okay news that he’s intending to fix what is obviously his mistake for free. It will be good news if he’s actually skilled in patching paint & polishing to factory finish.

Please, buy an iron and learn to solder. It’s no more difficult than trimming your toenails and there’s no point in paying “professionals” who typically aren’t any more professional than the kids at Valvoline.
 
Does look like impact damage. It would be a shame if he isn't owning the mistake, but at least he's going to repair it. Beyond that, Fender basses look better the more beat up they get. They may of course be subjective, however, on a vintage style instrument it's just part of the aesthetic and people pay extra for this kind of treatment. Fenders look better with age and wear. And this chip looks cool. Very hard to avoid without ruining your life worrying about it. Anyway - enjoy that beautiful bass!
 
Hi Gang,

Hoping you can help me here. I just got done dropping off one of my brand new basses to a tech who I haven’t used before, for a quick pickup swap. This is a Fender American Vinatge II 1960 Precision Bass, which I purchased brand new from Sweetwater.

I am that guy who is super meticulous with gear and taking care of it, polishing and wiping down and cleaning strings after playing, etc. As such, I make it a point to go through the instruments with old or new techs at drop-off, so that they know they’re not marred and have an understanding of how much I care for my instruments.

This bass is a nitro finish, was brand new and opened the case once or twice played to test tone and went for its pickup swap. I opened the case again at drop off as mentioned and it’s a black bass, you’d see any marks on it.

I got this message from the tech a few minutes ago stating the following:

“Just noticed this as I was putting the P-Bass back in the case. It looks old to me, like it’s an old filled hole or has some dirt build up in it. Just want to make sure you are aware of it. Sometimes people don’t realize these things so I like to point them out of if I notice them.”

He included one pic of it really close where I couldn’t even tell where the mark was, so I asked for a second pic with a guitar pick next to it… it turns out it was on the top — where we’d both have clearly seen during drop off and made note of it.

He definitely claims he didn’t drop a screwdriver on it and saw it when wiping it down, but there was “no chip on the rag” when he noticed it.

To me it looks like the soldering iron hit it, but I’m not sure. At this point what can I do, it was a brand new bass, and it is what it. Just curious if you guys with way more experience than me could maybe drop me some pointers on what you think it may be or what it looks like, again I went through the bass with him and it’s been opened once or twice just in the house before going for it’s swap.

He says it may have been a hole that was epoxied at the factory and then the nitro came off there, but I dunno… any ideas? And what’s the best way to fix something like this? Hurts bad seeing this on any bass, let alone a brand new bass.

Placement alone on the damage, there’s no way in hell I (or both of us) wouldn’t have noticed that prior. But it does look like a screw hole too, and I know Fender may get “creative” with repairs to where it was drilled wrong, filled, temp changed and the epoxy or whatever they used shrunk down… then the top nitro chipped off when being wiped down… I’m not sure and left scratching my head.

Thanks in advance for any help or ideas.
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My question is, so why did we go in for a pickup swap in the first place? 🤔

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The tech did it.

That is okay news that he’s intending to fix what is obviously his mistake for free. It will be good news if he’s actually skilled in patching paint & polishing to factory finish.

Please, buy an iron and learn to solder. It’s no more difficult than trimming your toenails and there’s no point in paying “professionals” who typically aren’t any more professional than the kids at Valvoline.

Yeah the unfortunate thing is my friend, I do know how to solder it’s just that mom and I are 24/7 caretakers right now to a disabled/paralyzed dog and have been for the last couple years here. We are probably on-call about 16-18hrs a a day and just have been running ragged trying to ensure this sweet guy gets the best of care and a life worth living.

For me I was hoping I could simply drop it off and pay my fee and simply have a bass with the new pickups installed without trying to sneak away and set everything up in another room to get it done… lazy on my behalf, but we are pressed for time. I agree with you on all points and hope his skills are up to par, if not then he can pay to have it fixed as promised… that said, this will most definitely be the last instrument I drop off with a tech without video footage in front of them.

It’s dumb because I do that when buying anything used online, I literally videotape the unboxing under LED’s to ensure the condition matches their description (this was learned the hard way too), and it has saved my butt a few times. For whatever reason I figured me walking him through the bass one-on-one would be enough, but it was weird that the first pic he had sent just had that mark and I couldn’t even make out where it was… upon seeing the second pic, there’s no way we would’ve missed that.

Whatever happened, you’re spot-on and lesson learned for sure. Expensive lesson on a new instrument, but it could’ve been worse I guess :(