The tech repairing/having it repaired at his cost is him admitting it without actually admitting it.
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UPDATE - What Does this Damage Look Like to You? (Nitro Fender American Vintage II 1960 P-Bass)
- Thread starter sludgetail
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As far as I know that's exactly what they do, and have been doing for years. AFAIK the last true nitro finish Fender basses (outside Custom Shop) were the late 90s to early 2000s original AVRI series. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe all Fender's current "nitro" finish production models are more like "nitro-on-polyurethane". Which means they won't age like a true nitro finish at all.
Whatever caused the damage is most likely not a hot soldering iron IMO. A hot soldering iron would visibly melt a finish like that in a split second. This finish is just cracked. A screwdriver doesn't seem very likely either, unless he rammed it REALLY hard into the body. Maybe the body had a slight, almost invisible dent/crack that the tech accidentally bumped something into, causing the finish to flake off? A small slip of a soldering iron or a screw driver shouldn't cause something like this unless the finish was already compromised.
Worse than a chicken peck but should be okay if done right.
I think this could be both, I wouldnt be so quick to blame the tech.
If that IS indeed a tiny fill from the factory, simply taking it out of its natural habitat and into the great outdoors could have triggered that flake..
Were there any 70's or late 60s models being made at the factory at the same time?
If that IS indeed a tiny fill from the factory, simply taking it out of its natural habitat and into the great outdoors could have triggered that flake..
Were there any 70's or late 60s models being made at the factory at the same time?
I don't think he is a troll....He just stated a personal opinion.
It is true that my nitro basses are so very easily chipped...and I have no clue how it happened.
Fender makes the nitro coatings thinner so the "aging" process is supposed to happen quicker
and despite our best intentions...stuff happens (not stuff, but you know the word I'm saying)
My thing is, I had/have a real 62 P bass that I tore up in da 70s with Hippy mods.
At one point I was going to restore it but I waited too long and the price of restoration became prohibited. Plus it wouldn't be my DJ Bebop P Bass of Doom anymore.
I though this would be the best alternative to a vintage piece or a Custom Shop. It seems to have most of the vintage specs so unless the pickup was way out of bounds of what a P pickup sounded like in the 60s, I’d keep it in.
I do have another P bass with the DiMarzio Model P in it, my rock bass. It’s ceramic so I’m covered in that respect.
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My Car Dealer snaps photo's of Vehicle when brought in for service; protects both of us. It is so easy nowadays may be good Idea for MI service shops.
Agree for sure on the fender thin coating now or nitro on top of the poly(?) whatever they’re doing now… but telling someone who purchased a $2300 new instrument and having that happen and saying they shouldn’t be concerned is a lame approach when they don’t even know the player or person.
How about next time he buys a brand new bass, he can send me his address, and I can come over to his place and I’ll do the same thing to his bass, and then give him the same lame advice? Point being it’s just a dumb/coarse thing to say to someone who is obviously pained about something they didn’t do themselves, on a brand new instrument they were so excited about. A nasty surprise that bummed me out, I feel like I wasn’t as “concerned,” as this guy made it out to be — if he or anyone reads this thread in its entirety I feel like I took the whole thing on the chin and was in good spirits about it. He just came off wanting to say something stupid and rude to a stranger asking for help — not my kind of human.
I own plenty of nitro sprayed instruments, custom shop basses and guitars, high end Spectors and Elricks, etc… and some have got their marks… but I know how they got there and put them on there myself, so it’s a bit different if you feel me.
For sure, I did mention this in another response, as well as my detailed video unboxings of used purchases (just to ensure the product matches the description) in another reply in this thread…
I thought going over it in detail with him and repeating that it’s brand new and removing the pickups box from inside the case (where he wanted to put them) and placing it in the compartment “so that nothing mars the neck or finish” and repeating that would do the trick here but I was obviously wrong.
Lesson learned for sure =\
First off, I gotta hear the DJ Bebop P Bass of Doom my man!! I threw the model P’s in another P so I’m loving those for sure… I have a couple vintage paced 60’s pickups in the other basses and I really dug the Aggy Musicman pickup I threw in my 90’s USA Sterling with their OPB/OBP-3 (you down with OPP?! Whatever) preamp so I wanted to give these a try.My thing is, I had/have a real 62 P bass that I tore up in da 70s with Hippy mods.
At one point I was going to restore it but I waited too long and the price of restoration became prohibited. Plus it wouldn't be my DJ Bebop P Bass of Doom anymore.
I though this would be the best alternative to a vintage piece or a Custom Shop. It seems to have most of the vintage specs so unless the pickup was way out of bounds of what a P pickup sounded like in the 60s, I’d keep it in.
I do have another P bass with the DiMarzio Model P in it, my rock bass. It’s ceramic so I’m covered in that respect.
Listening to the Empire Music Demo of the ‘60 bass and these side by side yielded some like-sounds but a little more cut on the Aggy which I love. That said they’re always easy to switch back given the time… hoping I don’t hate ‘em once they’re in the bass, everything sounds different on YouTube as you know
You’re lucky to have those old basses man, and that era of modding and hot ridding basses in the 70’s is something to be proud of and a cool badge of honor in my opinion. There’s a great video of the great Bobby Vega by EMG with his *P Bass and how it was Frankensteined together a bit along with his acoustic360 that reminds me a lot of instruments that got hot rodded from that era.
Post a pic of the P Bass o Doom!
*correction it’s this video with the P and B15
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First off, I gotta hear the DJ Bebop P Bass of Doom my man!! I threw the model P’s in another P so I’m loving those for sure… I have a couple vintage paced 60’s pickups in the other basses and I really dug the Aggy Musicman pickup I threw in my 90’s USA Sterling with their OPB/OBP-3 (you down with OPP?! Whatever) preamp so I wanted to give these a try.
Listening to the Empire Music Demo of the ‘60 bass and these side by side yielded some like-sounds but a little more cut on the Aggy which I love. That said they’re always easy to switch back given the time… hoping I don’t hate ‘em once they’re in the bass, everything sounds different on YouTube as you know
You’re lucky to have those old basses man, and that era of modding and hot ridding basses in the 70’s is something to be proud of and a cool badge of honor in my opinion. There’s a great video of the great Bobby Vega by EMG with his *P Bass and how it was Frankensteined together a bit along with his acoustic360 that reminds me a lot of instruments that got hot rodded from that era.
Post a pic of the P Bass o Doom!
*correction it’s this video with the P and B15
Oh no, I’ve posted it so many times, I’m afraid I'll get baned
But since you asked
The one and only!
Hell yeah! That thing is evil! There will forever be a no ban rule in effect on the P Bass of Doom! Now I gotta hear it! I’m getting a lot of Attitude vibes from it tooOh no, I’ve posted it so many times, I’m afraid I'll get baned
But since you asked
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The one and only!
I had my dad’s B-15 too but it had been road hard and put up wet sort to say. It needed help that I wasn't ready to give so I sold it and took the money to get my new B-15 replacement. I need to do a video of the two together.Hell yeah! That thing is evil! There will forever be a no ban rule in effect on the P Bass of Doom! Now I gotta hear it! I’m getting a lot of Attitude vibes from it too
So, you insisted on inspecting it together before handing it over and then his first instinct was to just throw the box into the case in front of you?
That says all I would need to know about his level of concern regarding damaging someone else's instrument.
Obviously, the most likely scenario is that he caused the damage himself. I think the whole "factory coverup revealed" theory is just CYA BS - plausible deniability.
Sorry that this has happened to you. You're obviously taking the high road in being so understanding.
If it were me, I would not be letting him do the repair, I would be taking it somewhere I could trust absolutely to fix it perfectly and sending him the bill.
I once took a brand-new car to a shop to get the windows tinted. When the guy was showing me the work, I immediately saw several holes in the leather seat on the passenger side and said, "What's up with that???". He denied it immediately, saying "I never keep anything in my back pockets for that very reason.". Fortunately for me, he then sat in that seat to tweak an edge of the tint and created 2 or 3 more holes which I immediately pointed out. He reached back and pulled a very sharp implement out of his back pocket and said something like "I can't believe I forgot that was there." Fortunately, he was a standup guy who was insured. While he offered to "have his upholstery guy take care of it", I insisted on having a local dealer order and install a brand new factory seat cover. Happy ending to that incident and he paid for it all but given his initial immediate denial, I've always had doubts about it turning out that way had I not been right there when it happened again.
That says all I would need to know about his level of concern regarding damaging someone else's instrument.
Obviously, the most likely scenario is that he caused the damage himself. I think the whole "factory coverup revealed" theory is just CYA BS - plausible deniability.
Sorry that this has happened to you. You're obviously taking the high road in being so understanding.
If it were me, I would not be letting him do the repair, I would be taking it somewhere I could trust absolutely to fix it perfectly and sending him the bill.
I once took a brand-new car to a shop to get the windows tinted. When the guy was showing me the work, I immediately saw several holes in the leather seat on the passenger side and said, "What's up with that???". He denied it immediately, saying "I never keep anything in my back pockets for that very reason.". Fortunately for me, he then sat in that seat to tweak an edge of the tint and created 2 or 3 more holes which I immediately pointed out. He reached back and pulled a very sharp implement out of his back pocket and said something like "I can't believe I forgot that was there." Fortunately, he was a standup guy who was insured. While he offered to "have his upholstery guy take care of it", I insisted on having a local dealer order and install a brand new factory seat cover. Happy ending to that incident and he paid for it all but given his initial immediate denial, I've always had doubts about it turning out that way had I not been right there when it happened again.
thats a pretty deep hole for something like a screwdriver to drop on it, unless it was a 10 ton heavy thing, a lil wood putty and blk paint wont fix...but dang that tech guy is a schmuck