Bag End Club.

#121
guy n. cognito said:
I gigged my BEs with the ShuttleMax6.0 this weekend. We were playing a 150 seat bar and the house was packed. Usually, I play this bar with a Acme Low B 2, so the BE stack was a bit of overkill. Volume know never got past about 10:00. My main bass for the night was a Sadowsky Metro RV-5. The rig sounded great. Plenty of cut-through and I didn't get lost in the mix with my bass-heavy gui**** player. The only downside is that these cabinets don't have the low end thump of the Acme, which is important since I don't have PA support for this type of gig.
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sorry if i missed it. what BE cabs are you using? as i found out, the shuttles all have high pass filters built in and the smaller the model the higher the cutoff frequency is (more or less) I know the BE don't have super lows, but I'm wondering if the high pass was part of it. the acme cabs are super power hungry, not sure if the shuttle 6 has the guts in the 30-80 hz range power wise.
 
#123
IvanMike said:
sorry if i missed it. what BE cabs are you using? as i found out, the shuttles all have high pass filters built in and the smaller the model the higher the cutoff frequency is (more or less) I know the BE don't have super lows, but I'm wondering if the high pass was part of it. the acme cabs are super power hungry, not sure if the shuttle 6 has the guts in the 30-80 hz range power wise.
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My acme is a 4 ohm 210. It might be power hungry, but I promise it gets it's fill at 600 watts. :) The shuttle has more than enough power to deliver the thump.

I'm using a s15x-d/s15-d stack. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way dissappointed with the BEs. They just don't go as low as the acme.
 
#124
guy n. cognito said:
My acme is a 4 ohm 210. It might be power hungry, but I promise it gets it's fill at 600 watts. :) The shuttle has more than enough power to deliver the thump.

I'm using a s15x-d/s15-d stack. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way dissappointed with the BEs. They just don't go as low as the acme.
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I switched from an Acme Low B2 to a Bag End and subsequently bought a pair of Nahas Bag End "clones". As much as the low end is missing, I never could get a sound I really liked out of the Acme with a tube pre. It alwys seemed to favor the SS. The Bag End seems to excel with either in my situation.

Mike
 
#125
mike_v_s said:
I switched from an Acme Low B2 to a Bag End and subsequently bought a pair of Nahas Bag End "clones". As much as the low end is missing, I never could get a sound I really liked out of the Acme with a tube pre. It alwys seemed to favor the SS. The Bag End seems to excel with either in my situation.

Mike
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Different strokes, I guess. I love my tube channel through my acme. It sounded great through the be rig too.
 
#126
guy n. cognito said:
Different strokes, I guess. I love my tube channel through my acme. It sounded great through the be rig too.
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well that's the big thing. I have a bunch of BE cabs, but there are easily 5 other brands i would use without hesitating. And they all sound different. To be honest, there are a ton of bigger cabs i love, but i decided that i wasn't going to buy a car based on my cabs any longer. That and i'm getting older, and just don't feel like schepping a bigger cab around. This is a great time to be a bass player. small cabs and small heads that kick butt are everywhere, and for the adventurous, there are build plans from several guys on TB who forgot more than i know about acoustics.
 
#127
IvanMike said:
Do i really need to show pictures?

There has to be some kind of grandfather clause.
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I was thinking the same thing.
:D

My current rig is an S15X-D and S10X-D stack. The bumblebee;). I also own an S15-D and D10X-D. While I dug the two 15 stack, my current stack is ridiculous tonally and is surprisingly loud.


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They actually lay flat belong the window line.
 
#129
KUNGfuSHERIFF said:
I bought a D10-D over the summer and gigged it a bunch, but never had a chance to sit out in the room and hear someone else play through my rig. Oh, my. I'm happy...never heard 10s project lows into a room that well.
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I sold my coax deep 210 about a month before I got my Markbass head. A few months later I stopped by a club where the friend who bought it was playing. He was driving it with a GK 1001RB. I wear a size 13 shoe and I could've used a much bigger size to kick myself after I hear what that cab sounded like out in the room (no PA support). And it was a 4 ohm cab, perfect for the LM II.

I bought the cab in very good condition off of ebay for $275 shipped. That just makes it that much worse.


Oh well... live and learn.
:meh:
 
#134
May I ask here, are you guys not minding the distinct lack of low-end from these cabs? I'm also noting that where I put the cabs- what's behind them- makes a lot of difference in the presence I feel from them. I find they're quite picky about placement in a space.

I can't afford to keep them and have something else too- so I may be losing them. But before I let go, does anyone have advice for getting them to produce some 'heft' consistently?
 
#136
Count Bassie said:
May I ask here, are you guys not minding the distinct lack of low-end from these cabs? I'm also noting that where I put the cabs- what's behind them- makes a lot of difference in the presence I feel from them. I find they're quite picky about placement in a space.

I can't afford to keep them and have something else too- so I may be losing them. But before I let go, does anyone have advice for getting them to produce some 'heft' consistently?
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I'm using mine with some pretty nice five and six string basses, with and without anything behind the cabs and get very nice low end production. Not subwoofer lows but I don't really want that anyway.
 
#137
Count Bassie said:
May I ask here, are you guys not minding the distinct lack of low-end from these cabs? I'm also noting that where I put the cabs- what's behind them- makes a lot of difference in the presence I feel from them. I find they're quite picky about placement in a space.

I can't afford to keep them and have something else too- so I may be losing them. But before I let go, does anyone have advice for getting them to produce some 'heft' consistently?
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I have the 2x10 and 1x18. With the 2x10 alone, yes, there's a distinct lack of bottom end. But when I dial in the 1x18 it's right there. Both cabs round out the Doom sound nicely...:D
 
#138
Count Bassie said:
May I ask here, are you guys not minding the distinct lack of low-end from these cabs? I'm also noting that where I put the cabs- what's behind them- makes a lot of difference in the presence I feel from them. I find they're quite picky about placement in a space.

I can't afford to keep them and have something else too- so I may be losing them. But before I let go, does anyone have advice for getting them to produce some 'heft' consistently?
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I don't think there's a "distinct lack" of low end. Let's face it, the cabs are designed to deliver the lowest notes of the bass. The low-end is there. The frequency response is even and balanced to my ear. If you want something with "more low-end", I'd suggest changing the settings on the (active) controls on your bass or the eq/tone knobs on the preamp/amp.

Isn't it better to boost (via eq somewhere in the signal chain) a frequency to change the sound of a flat cab, then trying to band-aid a cab with wild eq curves and other garbage to get it to sound clean or flat??? (I have an SWR combo I have to EQ the heck out of to sound decent for instance...) Maybe it's just me, but I think you'd be better off with the former, instead of the latter.
 
#139
Thunderthumbs73 said:
Isn't it better to boost (via eq somewhere in the signal chain) a frequency to change the sound of a flat cab, then trying to band-aid a cab with wild eq curves and other garbage to get it to sound clean or flat???
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Wild eq curves? But isn't that what you're recommending? Your meaning is not clear.

My complaint isn't far-fetched, actually. These are small cabs and tend to be stronger in the mids than the lows, which leads me to an interesting angle...

They are rear-ported. Now I've heard some nice phat bass coming out the rear there, but because of the small size of these things they seem very particular about how they're situated. If I have the rear port shooting into what is effectually a 'bass trap' situation, then my ability to move any bottom-air is severely limited. Because of the varied spaces I play in this can be a real bummer. No eq curve is going to make this box into something it isn't.

Also... I don't believe I've hurt them, but I find the sound coming out of them to be a little crunchy-sounding, and not real solid.

Maybe it's my SM-400, but I've dialed-out as much of the very low bass as I believe is possible. There are threads about this particular head here on TB- but I've used my H&K preamp and power amp also, and still am not getting the 'presence' I'm after.
 
#140
Count Bassie said:
May I ask here, are you guys not minding the distinct lack of low-end from these cabs? I'm also noting that where I put the cabs- what's behind them- makes a lot of difference in the presence I feel from them. I find they're quite picky about placement in a space.

I can't afford to keep them and have something else too- so I may be losing them. But before I let go, does anyone have advice for getting them to produce some 'heft' consistently?
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I haven't noticed a lack of low end as much as a low mid push (but I guess I could be wrong). Of course, that's relative to my experience and previously owned equipment; I don't presume to speak for others here. I've found that mid presence very beneficial most of the time and a little intrusive on occassion. I've been known to dial it out or bump the 40 hz slider depending on the situation.

Mike
 
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