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If I’m using these copper pipe caps to cast knob blanks any ideas what to use for mold release without going and buying mold release or waiting for it to show up in the mail?

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What material are you casting? If it's resin, you can use any mold release agent. I've seen a lot of guys prefer the Stoner mold release, it comes in both spray and wax -
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I've also seen guys use Tuck Tape -
 
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What material are you casting? If it's resin, you can use any mold release agent. I've seen a lot of guys prefer the Stoner mold release, it comes in both spray and wax -
Stoner Mold Release Spray
I've also seen guys use Tuck Tape -

For right now I was just going to try West Systems. Might get something else if this seems like something to pursue. I have a set of copies of those old Japanese knobs that are like Gibson Speed knobs that have notches in the top. I’ve often thought about using those to make a mold and cast some. Also your tattoo headed buddy (JK naturally) just did a video casting pickup rings and some other stuff with resin and bronze powder that looked really cool. Could be a thing.
 
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I like this body shape - has it been completed yet?


I’m letting myself get sidetracked with making knobs but it should just need the final sand and buff, although I may just go semigloss, and assembly. If you go back a few pages to where I was rebuilding the fretless neck that’s sort of the same body shape in black limba. I redid it a little for this one, mostly adjusted the size of the horns and squared off the ends more than they were.

Thank you also. I know you’re particular about your designs and I like your builds so I appreciate it.
 
... your tattoo headed buddy (JK naturally) ...
🤣 😂🤣
We go way back! 😁

I can honestly say, I have not watched his videos in quite some time. He kind of went off the rails when his wife left him and now he seems to be on some spiritual journey to locate his lost enjoyment of the industry, and he's not really doing guitar building videos any more, so there's little that relates to me.
I've been having more fun watching "Adventures From The Shed Of Dreams", "Adair Guitars" and "Milehouse Studios". 😉
Apparently I have a thing for UK builders on the ol' Tubes. 🤣
 
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🤣 😂🤣
We go way back! 😁

I can honestly say, I have not watched his videos in quite some time. He kind of went off the rails when his wife left him and now he seems to be on some spiritual journey to locate his lost enjoyment of the industry, and he's not really doing guitar building videos any more, so there's little that relates to me.
I've been having more fun watching "Adventures From The Shed Of Dreams", "Adair Guitars" and "Milehouse Studios". 😉
Apparently I have a thing for UK builders on the ol' Tubes. 🤣

I don’t watch all of his videos but the one I’m talking about was titled as cold casting bronze pickup rings and caught my interest. He was using bronze power but they came out much nicer that I expected. If I start casting stuff I’ll probably try it.



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Lil’ update for the Terrible one, bookmark this post @TerribleTim68 and quit bugging me and Phil! :wacky::roflmao:

I cut a couple of blocks off of a 1 1/2” sycamore turning block from Woodcraft. It was inexpensive and I want a light colored wood and a dark wood for this next experiment (I have a decent amount of walnut scraps). The center is marked on one side and center punched.

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I face off the marked side with a Forstner bit. In this case I’m shooting for 3/4” so I flatten it with a 1” Forstner.

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Next I drill the recess for the nut. A 9/16” Forstner and I use a commercial metal barrel nut for a reference for the depth measurement. I should write that number down. :rollno:

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Then I drill the hole for the mandrel. These two are going on the 3/8”-16 mandrel so I stepped up to a 5/16” bit going a little deeper then the insert. I’d also accept going slightly less than the final length of the knob as a good answer. :smug:

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The sharp eyed out there in our viewing audience may have noticed an issue. I could attribute it to camera parallax but since we’re all friends here the pilot bit got off from the original center dimple left by the Forstner. Since these are a test run I did a Sir Robin and bravely ran away… I mean forged ahead. I was also able to fix the bottom recess later in the turning. What I did on the test blanks I made tonight was to use a spotting bit to start the pilot hole then step up to 5/16”.

Here the testers are mounted and turned. I didn’t take any turning pics but I’m pretty sure Tim can figure that part out. I recall a video where he turned an itty bitty finial on a Christmas tree ornament that I have no idea how it didn’t break.

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Those aren’t even rough sanded yet, that’s why they’re less than purty. I used the 9/16” Forstner to make a recess in the top of the knobs also and will (hopefully) commence experimenting tomorrow. I also picked up two other pen blanks that will be really cool if I can manage my part of the game.

Some of this process is based on turning the knobs around the minimum number of times or not at all, undoubtedly to compensate for some of the inherent issues with single tube lathes mentioned above.
 
Lil’ update for the Terrible one, bookmark this post @TerribleTim68 and quit bugging me and Phil! :wacky::roflmao: ...

... I didn’t take any turning pics but I’m pretty sure Tim can figure that part out. I recall a video where he turned an itty bitty finial on a Christmas tree ornament that I have no idea how it didn’t break...
🤣 😂🤣 That made me laugh so hard!

I didn't make a video for this one, but I turned my first hollow form last week -
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...piece of spalted flame maple that I got from my local wood turning chapter. Came out pretty good for not really knowing what I was doing. 😎
 
🤣 😂🤣 That made me laugh so hard!

I didn't make a video for this one, but I turned my first hollow form last week -
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...piece of spalted flame maple that I got from my local wood turning chapter. Came out pretty good for not really knowing what I was doing. 😎


Wow, beautiful. The inside is all hollow and it’s one piece? I’m not picturing how to do that.
 
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You know.......You could make those knobs on your pin router...........I'm just sayin'. Since you have one or two of them around the shop. And you could even make the knobs non-cylindrical, like square or hex or with chicken-head pointers. Whatever you dream up.


I may have to sit and have a think about that one. Much like Tim’s hollow form I’m not picturing it.
 
Wow, beautiful. The inside is all hollow and it’s one piece? I’m not picturing how to do that.
I have one of these -
And yeah, it's hollow as best I could get it. It's not perfect, and the wall thickness isn't 100% uniform. But it's hollowed out enough that I can't reach the inside of the walls with my finger. 😎
I drilled the center hole with a forstner bit, as a starting point, and then started going at it with the hollowing tool.
 
I may have to sit and have a think about that one. Much like Tim’s hollow form I’m not picturing it.
Standard pin router fixture & technique. A wide flat fixture that slides around on the table. Mount your laminated wood board on the top. Mount a cylinder on the underside for the pin to follow.

Here's how Jeremy cut nice round disks from Rocklite scraps, for the Mermaid Bubbles fingerboard inlays:

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The shapes above are the patterns glued into the underside of the fixture. He used normal pin router technique; multiple shallow passes, working down in depth. Leaving 1/16" at the bottom so the wood disc didn't go flying. Then he sawed them free with the bandsaw, and cleaned the flashing off the bottom edge on the edge sander. After he did a few of them, he got used to sliding it around keeping the pin in contact with the pattern. The discs were coming out accurately round and smoother finish than you'd get on a wood lathe.

To make knobs, you could first pre-drill the center socket holes in your rectangular laminated blank, and epoxy in the metal insert sleeves. Then the fixture has a 1/4" pin sticking up, lined up with the pattern underneath. Clamp the blank down onto the fixture, with one of the inserts on the pin. Rout it down to full depth in 1/16" steps, leaving that 1/16" at the bottom. Move the blank to the next insert.

You could also make a separate setup to rout the domed tops of each knob, using a radius bit or whatever. Using a pin to locate the blank, centering on the insert.

And, the knobs don't have to be round. You could make them any shape you want. Just hand carve a pattern that goes on the underside of the fixture.

And, you could build the fixture so it has a pin on the underside that different patterns would plug onto. Build up an assortment of patterns for different size and shape knobs.

That's the beauty of a pin router. Once you've invested the time to make the fixture and pattern, it's very quick to pull it off the shelf and run a batch of knobs.
 
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Standard pin router fixture & technique. A wide flat fixture that slides around on the table. Mount your laminated wood board on the top. Mount a cylinder on the underside for the pin to follow.

Here's how Jeremy cut nice round disks from Rocklite scraps, for the Mermaid Bubbles fingerboard inlays:

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The shapes above are the patterns glued into the underside of the fixture. He used normal pin router technique; multiple shallow passes, working down in depth. Leaving 1/16" at the bottom so the wood disc didn't go flying. Then he sawed them free with the bandsaw, and cleaned the flashing off the bottom edge on the edge sander. After he did a few of them, he got used to sliding it around keeping the pin in contact with the pattern. The discs were coming out accurately round and smoother finish than you'd get on a wood lathe.

To make knobs, you could first pre-drill the center socket holes in your rectangular laminated blank, and epoxy in the metal insert sleeves. Then the fixture has a 1/4" pin sticking up, lined up with the pattern underneath. Clamp the blank down onto the fixture, with one of the inserts on the pin. Rout it down to full depth in 1/16" steps, leaving that 1/16" at the bottom. Move the blank to the next insert.

You could also a separate setup to rout the domed tops of each knob, using a radius bit or whatever. Using a pin to locate the blank, centering on the insert.

And, the knobs don't have to be round. You could make them any shape you want. Just hand carve a pattern that goes on the underside of the fixture.

And, you could build the fixture so it has a pin on the underside that different patterns would plug onto. Build up an assortment of patterns for different size and shape knobs.

That's the beauty of a pin router. Once you've invested the time to make the fixture and pattern, it's very quick to pull it off the shelf and run a batch of knobs.


Right after I typed what you’re quoting I remembered Jeremy and that pin router fixture. I haven’t taken the time to find that post again but was thinking mostly what you just said. You suggested a few things I wouldn’t have thought of, as usual. I’ll look at that once I’m done with the three projects I’m working on. Non round shapes combined with some of the colored resin and other “stuff” I’ll post about in a bit could be pretty neat.
 
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I’ve been fooling about making some knobs for the SBT metal flake bass. I know what I like here but I’ll post some pics of the testers as well. There’s a couple of things that could be worth coming back to.

These are from an acrylic pen blank that I wanted to see how they look but also to warm back up into turning acrylic pen blanks. I believe the pattern was called Hunter Green Quartz. The three on the left are polished up, the three on the right are just sanded, no polishing.

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These are a green and black “honeycomb” pattern. Again, the three on the left are polished, the one on the right is a spare so to speak. There’s one spot I’d have to fill and fix if I wanted / needed to use it.

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Those look better in person than I can get on camera.

The honeycomb pattern is some kind of metal, maybe aluminum? I started with my normal roughing gouge and a piece of the metal broke out. I switched to carbide tools and still had a blow out. I finally got the bright idea to knock the corners off of the blanks and things worked a little better.

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I mixed up some West Systems to test a few things. This one was some extra that I dyed green and stirred in some gold pearl after it was in the mold.

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It ended up a little small to actually use and there’s still a couple of voids in it but it’s something usable. I also mixed in some metal flake with green and cast a couple of just green blanks but didn’t turn them yet. I think it’s definitely something that could work but probably needs a pressure pot and I’d probably buy or make some of those 1”x1” turning blank molds.

Next is one I tried just to see how it would end up. I really wanted to like it but I’m “meh” at best.

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Last I did a few one offs. A walnut knob with gold flake in the end and two sycamore knobs. One with gold pearl and one with extra of the green epoxy. These all have some CA finish but no real effort to buff them up.

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I also did a walnut and sycamore knob with the color change pearl in the end but I didn’t like how they looked so I didn’t get any further then the blank stage.

There should be some final sanding and buffing and assembly soon.
 
Hey, finally at a spot with something postable.

All three bodies were sanded to 1000 grit. These pics are after hitting all three with 3M super duty polish which takes 800-1000 grit sanding scratches up to pretty much a semigloss. You’ll see the implements of danger in the background. The front and back of the bodies were done with a 6” foam pad on the corded drill with the speed turned down to about half. Go lightly, if you’re pressing hard enough to slow the drill down or hear the speed change you’re pressing too hard. The weight of the drill should be enough to do the job. The sides were done with the battery drill and small foam paint roller rollers with whatever size threaded rod fit (1/4-20?) epoxied in and chucked up.

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I left the “spray booth”’plastic up and just had to attach the side braces and clamp the plastic back in place. That buffing compound goes everywhere!

The cherry and myrtle body got hit with white Scotchbrite after this and that’s where it will stay, semigloss natural.

Next the other two bodies got hit with a fine polishing compound. I’ve been using a Turtle Wax product although I’d have to go look to remember the name. There are several that work. Between the compounds the bodies got wiped down with naptha, foam pads were changed, wipe down rags were switched out and the towel everything is on was shaken out and refolded so the previously used side was on the inside. In other words, minimal chance for any of the coarse compound to come in contact with anything once that step is done.

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I tried to catch the color change in the guitar body and how cool the metal flake looks but it’s tough with a cell phone camera and LED lights. They’re both really cool though.

Once all that was done it was almost dinner time or time to start making dinner anyway but I did scrub and wax the tables on the pin router and bandsaw so they didn’t feel unloved.

Then, after dinner I had some time to make some bright, new pennies. :smug:


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You can sort of see it with the natural body but the covers were shielded as well.

I did the control cavities on the guitar kind of wierd so I’m going to try it unshielded first then probably just buy some paint if it needs it.

After all that it was time for some MST3K and relaxing