fEARful 12/6 questions

#21
When I was gigging my 12/6 covered everything but the outdoor stuff. (blues/classic rock) I would go either (2) 12/6 or (1) 15/6 if you really need to get loud. But it's always subjective. When you say rock band, outdoors with no PA support I'm thinking a single 12/6 will come up short. And I love my 12/6, but even as kick ass as it is, a single 12 does have it's limits.;)
 
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Just was curious about what the main difference is between the 12/6 and the f112? Just the mid-range sound?

edit - nevermind, I got the "updated" version of the fearful 12/6 apparently.. so answers that..


I have the f112


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I think the 12/6 is about a 3x10 as far as volume goes. A 15/6 hangs with 4x10s, a 1212/6 hangs with 6x10s, and a 1515/6/6 hangs with 8x10s. That is how I had them explained in terms of volume and I would imagine it is correct. My 1212/6 could definitely hang with my old 6x10 but I don't think it would quite keep up to an 8x10.
 
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REV said:
Something to remember. Loud is SPL. A single 12" speaker will only move so much air. More speakers (or bigger speakers) will move more air. The clean you are talking about is largely from your amp. Watts is clean. Yes you can distort your speaker if you overdrive it but as others have said the fEARful design will take a lot. Also something else to remember , a single 12 will be 8 ohms. Most likely you will get less power from your amp running at 8 ohms
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Given that, a second cab adds 3dB, and if you're using a solid state head, going from 8 ohms to 4 gives you an added 2~3dBs depending on how the amp is designed. That's a whopping +5~6 dBs just by adding a second cab. That's huge. Plus, two cabs (or a dual driver cab) gets the sound up closer to your ears so you can hear it better.
 
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buldog5151bass said:
I am thinking a building a 12/6, but had some questions:

- how loud are these? I am using either a Carvin BX-500 or GK MB-500 for a head. Right now I have a Revsound 2x12, but at higher volume gigs (did one outdoors last week with a rock band with no PA support) it it not cutting it. The site says it can replace most 4x10s.

- I assume there are no flatpacks for this?

Thoughts?
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If you need to get the maximum from a 12/6 you need twice that power. I don't know about the Rev Sound 212 you have but I typically use 2 Berg HD112's in a louder setting, 4 pce classic rock blaring away all night. No way would my single Fearful 12/6/1 cut the mustard in that setting. Greenboy guys might disagree with me but I think a more conventional cabinet "seems" louder because I hear* a thicker sound through the mid bass if I compare my Bergs to my Fearful for example. ( *based on my experience only) I highly recommend a stack of 12/6 or a 1212/6 with a kilowatt of power. That combination will bury most 410's and cover an outdoor gig quite well.
 
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I have built two 15/6/1's and a pair of 12/6 cubes.

When I completed the first 12/6 cube, the 15/6/1's began gathering dust and eventually went up for sale. (Recouped build costs on these)

I built the second 12/6 cube just because these are fun projects. I've never actually hauled both of them out to a gig, one will do.

The smaller, lighter, cheaper aspects totally won me over.

Some good luck buying drivers puts my 12/6 cost right at $300 each, built from scratch.
The 12/6 with the alpha 6 mid is the biggest bang for the buck.

Compare that to the 15/6/1's which came in closer to $600 for each.

Loud enough? Plenty loud enough for what I want to do.

Once you build your first and sell all the other cabs (you now realize sound kinda sucky) you'll want to build another. If you like DIY, fEarful is the way to go.
 
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buldog5151bass said:
Obviously, it's tough to compare cabs in the abstract. While I like the Revsound, at times I feel like I am pushing the speakers a little more than I want to. I hate distortion - I like it clean full sound. No one near me that I know of has either the 12/6 or 15/5. I am trying to figure if either would give me more clean volume. Thanks all.
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How about a 15/12? There is a guy in your area that has that rig. Or a 15/10 both would take the power and supply the headroom you nee.
 
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"flatpacks?"
speaker hardware dot com does flat packs.

''How loud is it?''
"depends what you load it with"

Well; no. There aren't really choices that effect overall output db, IME.
Yeah you can run an alpha 6 or a faital 6 or an NDSound 6, but all that does is change midrange character.
In my opinion/experience.

"it replaces a 410"
BS!!! :D

Look, it's a great 112 cab, but it's a great 112 cab, and that's what it is.

I have one, I use it, I love it, and I'm not happy with it on it's own except at rehearsal.
You'll get a lot of other opinions on that; there's mine.

If you want it to be "410 equivilant or better" then, plan on a 12 sub with it.
I have and use that combination, it SLAYS!.

I use a 15/6/1 most often out of all my stuff. It's a great standalone cab. The 12/6/1 isn't a great standalone cab; for me.
The 12/6/1+12 sub out-decibels the 15/6/1, to my ears. Maybe that's because it's a lot taller and closer to my ears; maybe not tho.
And, 12/6/1 over 15/6/1 is just ridiculous.


buldog5151bass said:
I am thinking a building a 12/6, but had some questions:

- how loud are these? I am using either a Carvin BX-500 or GK MB-500 for a head. Right now I have a Revsound 2x12, but at higher volume gigs (did one outdoors last week with a rock band with no PA support) it it not cutting it. The site says it can replace most 4x10s.

- I assume there are no flatpacks for this?

Thoughts?
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Chef said:
"flatpacks?"
speaker hardware dot com does flat packs.

''How loud is it?''
"depends what you load it with"

Well; no. There aren't really choices that effect overall output db, IME.
Yeah you can run an alpha 6 or a faital 6 or an NDSound 6, but all that does is change midrange character.
In my opinion/experience.

"it replaces a 410"
BS!!! :D

Look, it's a great 112 cab, but it's a great 112 cab, and that's what it is.

I have one, I use it, I love it, and I'm not happy with it on it's own except at rehearsal.
You'll get a lot of other opinions on that; there's mine.

If you want it to be "410 equivilant or better" then, plan on a 12 sub with it.
I have and use that combination, it SLAYS!.

I use a 15/6/1 most often out of all my stuff. It's a great standalone cab. The 12/6/1 isn't a great standalone cab; for me.
The 12/6/1+12 sub out-decibels the 15/6/1, to my ears. Maybe that's because it's a lot taller and closer to my ears; maybe not tho.
And, 12/6/1 over 15/6/1 is just ridiculous.
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Thanks - you answered some questions, and raised some more - my own fault for poking the hornets' nest. :D
 
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Chef said:
unless you have a DB meter and a waveform monitor, this will tell you exactly nothing except how you personally feel about it.
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Hey chef, glad you gave your input and I should mention I only was only going to do the video for others and the whole, "12 is better than 4x10" talk around here..

I haven't done the video yet, but I kinda already know the 4x10 is better just because there are more speakers period.. That's my understanding! But the reason for a 12 is its better to carry! Helloooo.. It's pretty simple.. Ha.

Anyway should I get a decibel meter when I do the video? Haha..

I just wanted to compare tone using the same amp on different cabs.. That was my original goal of my videos..

(My WalterWoods blue light amp!)
 
#38
I get to gig with a 12/6 this weekend in a few different scenarios. Ill be using my PF50T.

Spent some time with the 12/6 and a 12sub last night in my apartment and im blown away by the level of detail and clarity. Some people like to use the term 'color' when describing certain amps or cabs. This thing has no color, because it has them all.

Makes the tone knob useful. Makes the tone stack on the amp so much more sensitive. You can actually hear your bass, for better or worse.

Incredibly musical cabinet. I will be taking just the 12/6 to the gigs, in place of an SVT212AV. I was leaning towards building a 1212/6, which is similar to the 12/6 + 12sub, and it seems overkill for my personal needs. If I had a more powerful head, id probably go for a 15/6 or the 1212/6.
 
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