Feedback on speaker cabinets wanted

[FUCHSAUDIO]

We're about to start rolling out speaker cabinets. The initial offering will be a 210 ported, made of liteply and with Neo speakers. The choice has been narrowed to Eminence or Celestion.

We're about to start some measuring and listening in the shop and out in the field. We are still on track for release this first quarter of 2024. Eventually (a very innovative 410), a single 12 and single 10 (possibly with a tweeter). Not sure about 15" speakers at the moment, but I never say never.

The standard cab will be Neo's. My three questions are:

Would you want ceramic speakers offered as well in each configuration ?

Would you want 8 as well as 4 ohm boxes available ?

Do you have any preferences as to Eminence vs Celestion drivers ?

One person said Celestion was a "turn off". Frankly, I like their NEO's and I know Schroeder uses them on some models and they sound damn good. Prices are competitive, so that's not really a factor.

Thanks for your feedback gents.

 

[Jazzdogg]

I like vertical arrays, and currently stack an 8 Ohm 1x8 and a 4 Ohm 2x8, with a combined impedance of 2.67 Ohms.

For me, two 8 Ohm 2x8 cabs would be a great alternative to a conventional 4x10.

I don't have a preference of driver manufacturers; use what sounds best and weighs the least.

Because I stack, it would be advantageous to have cabs that do not move when played or being transported on a hand truck; bonus points of the bass amp stacked on top can't move either.

 

[Clark Westfield]

Being I just nearly killed myself with a flight of stairs and an 810 this summer, everything I look at needs to be light and loud.

I have played through 10” cabs for years and they have all been 8 ohms, 810 excluded.

Now I just recently switched to a 212, and it’s light and loud and able to keep the pace with my old Hartke 810.

I like the mellow tone the 212 cab provides. I also like the taller cab, as it’s easier to carry, being narrow and tall, then short and wide. I’m 6’3” and my aging back feels it.

Ohms? Im not concerned, as my Berg head can hit at 2 ohms and not even break a sweat.

I like 4 ohms stuff, as it pushes the head and I can get away with just one cab for gigs ………..for now.

 

[SJan3]

We're about to start rolling out speaker cabinets. The initial offering will be a 210 ported, made of liteply and with Neo speakers. The choice has been narrowed to Eminence or Celestion.

We're about to start some measuring and listening in the shop and out in the field. We are still on track for release this first quarter of 2024. Eventually (a very innovative 410), a single 12 and single 10 (possibly with a tweeter). Not sure about 15" speakers at the moment, but I never say never.

The standard cab will be Neo's. My three questions are:

Would you want ceramic speakers offered as well in each configuration ?

Would you want 8 as well as 4 ohm boxes available ?

Do you have any preferences as to Eminence vs Celestion drivers ?

One person said Celestion was a "turn off". Frankly, I like their NEO's and I know Schroeder uses them on some models and they sound damn good. Prices are competitive, so that's not really a factor.

Thanks for your feedback gents.

I think a vertically aligned 2x10" @8 ohms is a no brainier. Also, 1x12" @8 ohms and 2x12" @ 4 or 8 ohms, again vertically aligned.
Yes to light weight but not plastic. I like wood. Drivers can be whatever sounds best.
Eminence or Celestian is fine. It's the end result that matters, and please keep prices reasonable.

 

[Doufuss]

I have a guitar amp with a neo creamback that sounds amazing, so I'm reasonably confident Celestion can build a great sounding bass driver too.

Personally, I don't need a bass cab as I'm covered with what I have, but if I was, I'd kind of like to see a 212 sealed ceramic magnet vintage style cab.

Good luck with your new products!

 

[gtirard]

Would you want ceramic speakers offered as well in each configuration ?

No. Only Neo is fine.

Would you want 8 as well as 4 ohm boxes available ?

I don't need several impedence options for each cab, but impedence of each cab should be logical for its driver configuration. For example:
2x12 and 4x10 -> 4ohm
1x12 and 2x10 -> 8ohm

Mesa does it well. Jad Freer Audio too, they even have a 16 ohm 1x10.
For me, the way Ampeg does for the Venture serie makes no sense: all cab are 8 ohm, including the 1x12 and the 2x12, the 2x10 and the 4x10… How can you mix them?

Do you have any preferences as to Eminence vs Celestion drivers ?

No preference between Eminence and Celestion drivers.

 

[bherman]

Another vote for Neo only. For single driver cabs and maybe for 2x10, I'd stick with 8 ohm, gives the most flexibility for combining. No preference for driver brand, I would think that they both make a decent, higher-end bass driver.

 

[bottomzone]

Since lightweight is a huge selling point for me, I prefer Neo drivers. I'm not a fan of Schroeder cabs. While they're loud and punchy, they don't seem to reproduce low-bass to my ears. I'd prefer Eminence speakers but whichever produces the best-sounding cab with great low-bass content, punch, and definition is the ticket. A 2-10 in a vertical alignment and a 1-12 (with a tweeter in both) in either 4 or 8 ohms.

 

[mellowgerman]

I guess I'm one of those weird guys that would love a nice and loud 4 ohm 1x12 cab, no tweeter needed. I don't play in bands with super loud stage volume and just about every venue in my area has PA support for front of house (even the open mic spots), so I would be pretty happy with a 1x12 that can handle my Acoustic 370 - which doesn't seem to be particularly fond of working with a single 8ohm cab.

I'm currently using a Genzler 2x12, which I like a lot, but from a volume standpoint is not necessary a lot of the time. Like others have mentioned, the vertical factor is nice and puts the speaker up higher for monitoring, which is really the main factor keeping me with a 2x12. That said, it has gotten me wondering why nobody has developed a little metal pop-out bracket/stand for smaller cabs like 1x10 and 1x12, that would make the cab tilt back and point up at the player without requiring an awkward tilt-back cabinet shape. That would make one of these smaller 4ohm cabs super attractive to me.

I have no first-hand experience with Celestion bass drivers and have always been happy with Eminence. The Celestion brand is certainly not a turn-off for me though and I wouldn't hesitate to give them a try and let my ears decide. Weight isn't really an issue for me yet, so ceramic is fine if it keeps the price down. I've also heard that neo can have supposed drawbacks in the low-end department, but I take that with a huge grain of salt. I'm sure cabinet design has a lot more to do with it.

 

[abarson]

No preference between neo or ceramic. Other vendors have successfully sourced lightweight ceramics, so it comes down to what sounds good.

No preference as to who manufactures the speakers. Aside from Eminence and Celestion, there is a bevy of companies in Italy (Beyma, Faital, etc) that produce good wares.

I prefer 8-ohms cabinets so that I can add a second one for more SPL.

Any tweeter or horn must be either adjustable and/or defeatable. Non-negotiable.

The jack plate must have one input and one through for daisy chaining. Non-negotiable.

Good ergonomics for easy transport should not be overlooked.

 

[abarson]

That said, it has gotten me wondering why nobody has developed a little metal pop-out bracket/stand for smaller cabs like 1x10 and 1x12, that would make the cab tilt back and point up at the player without requiring an awkward tilt-back cabinet shape. That would make one of these smaller 4ohm cabs super attractive to me.

Do you mean something like this?

Been around for awhile, but most manufacturers don't want the expense/hassle of adding it.

 

[dbsfgyd1]

We're about to start rolling out speaker cabinets. The initial offering will be a 210 ported, made of liteply and with Neo speakers. The choice has been narrowed to Eminence or Celestion.

We're about to start some measuring and listening in the shop and out in the field. We are still on track for release this first quarter of 2024. Eventually (a very innovative 410), a single 12 and single 10 (possibly with a tweeter). Not sure about 15" speakers at the moment, but I never say never.

The standard cab will be Neo's. My three questions are:

Would you want ceramic speakers offered as well in each configuration ?

Would you want 8 as well as 4 ohm boxes available ?

Do you have any preferences as to Eminence vs Celestion drivers ?

One person said Celestion was a "turn off". Frankly, I like their NEO's and I know Schroeder uses them on some models and they sound damn good. Prices are competitive, so that's not really a factor.

Thanks for your feedback gents.

1) No need for ceramic speakers
2) 4 & 8 ohms are useful.
3) Np preference.

One suggestion. The cab should be very efficient.

 

[mellowgerman]

Do you mean something like this?

Been around for awhile, but most manufacturers don't want the expense/hassle of adding it.

Amazing! How did I completely miss this?! Thanks for pointing these out

 

[Jonny Reese]

We're about to start rolling out speaker cabinets. The initial offering will be a 210 ported, made of liteply and with Neo speakers. The choice has been narrowed to Eminence or Celestion.

We're about to start some measuring and listening in the shop and out in the field. We are still on track for release this first quarter of 2024. Eventually (a very innovative 410), a single 12 and single 10 (possibly with a tweeter). Not sure about 15" speakers at the moment, but I never say never.

The standard cab will be Neo's. My three questions are:

Would you want ceramic speakers offered as well in each configuration ?

Would you want 8 as well as 4 ohm boxes available ?

Do you have any preferences as to Eminence vs Celestion drivers ?

One person said Celestion was a "turn off". Frankly, I like their NEO's and I know Schroeder uses them on some models and they sound damn good. Prices are competitive, so that's not really a factor.

Thanks for your feedback gents.

Gents? No ladies here?

 

[beans-on-toast]

I’d go with whatever speaker company has the best supply chain. If they are off the shelf, do they readily offer re-cone kits, which has the best service center turn around time. It the speakers are OEM, how responsive is the design team and what are they like to deal with.

 

[2saddleslab]

I guess I'm one of those weird guys that would love a nice and loud 4 ohm 1x12 cab, no tweeter needed. I don't play in bands with super loud stage volume and just about every venue in my area has PA support for front of house (even the open mic spots), so I would be pretty happy with a 1x12 that can handle my Acoustic 370 - which doesn't seem to be particularly fond of working with a single 8ohm cab.

I'm currently using a Genzler 2x12, which I like a lot, but from a volume standpoint is not necessary a lot of the time. Like others have mentioned, the vertical factor is nice and puts the speaker up higher for monitoring, which is really the main factor keeping me with a 2x12. That said, it has gotten me wondering why nobody has developed a little metal pop-out bracket/stand for smaller cabs like 1x10 and 1x12, that would make the cab tilt back and point up at the player without requiring an awkward tilt-back cabinet shape. That would make one of these smaller 4ohm cabs super attractive to me.

I have no first-hand experience with Celestion bass drivers and have always been happy with Eminence. The Celestion brand is certainly not a turn-off for me though and I wouldn't hesitate to give them a try and let my ears decide. Weight isn't really an issue for me yet, so ceramic is fine if it keeps the price down. I've also heard that neo can have supposed drawbacks in the low-end department, but I take that with a huge grain of salt. I'm sure cabinet design has a lot more to do with it.

Another weirdo here. Been using a 4ohm 1x12 Black Widow in a recovered Ampeg 112 portabass cab for years. It's a little heavy for it's small size but easy enough to handle, especially w/ the built in dolly.

But I took full advantage of Neo speakers in my 2x12 cab, weighing in at a very manageable 45lbs.

 

[57pbass]

Would you want ceramic speakers offered as well in each configuration ?

Since there have been so many improvements in the neo speakers I feel indifferent about this….but…I would be very interested in seeing how much weight the ceramic driver would add compared to the neo drivers.
Since you’re using liteply it might be manageable with a ceramic…cost would also be a factor.

Would you want 8 as well as 4 ohm boxes available ?

My understanding is that the 4 ohm box will only give a slight bump to the overall volume while eliminating the opportunity to add additional cabinets. I think thats too much of a trade off and would just go with an 8 ohm. All my single and double enclosures are 8 ohm. I did have a 4x10 and that was 4 ohm which worked well for my needs. I believe the 2 ohm capable heads open up some additional cabinet ohm combinations ??

Do you have any preferences as to Eminence vs Celestion drivers ?

No.

Additional Suggestions…

Neutrix connectors x 2 per cab..since your heads have a quarter inch output you might consider a Neutrix that accepts both ( Bag End uses them )

Adjustable / defeat switch for the horn…

Good labeling with all speaker cabinet data..ohms..power handling..model

Maybe a non slip surface on the top of the cabinet that will prevent the head from vibrating or moving. It’s a big issue with Class D lightweight heads..many posts here about this
I use a rubber mat which is not a problem but the manufacturers should address this….I sometimes forget the mat and I have to watch the head throughout the performance.

Vertical - horizontal ability with an adjustable magnetic logo that can be properly oriented.. ( lots of OCD musicians..especially bass players LOL ..not me though .. LOL )

I hope that you introduce a 15” version since I use them often.

Metal grill maybe the same color as the face of the heads ??
I am constantly moving my cabinets in and out of vehicles and clubs and the cloth grills are too delicate and offer no speaker protection…even with a nylon cover. I sold off my Aguilar cabs for this very reason.. I hope you use metal grills.

Spring loaded flush mounted handles…

That’s all I can think of ..looking forward to the launch…in the meantime I will continue to use my Bag Ends..

 

[Nebadon2000]

For 2x10;

Vertical, front ported, 4 or 8 ohm option, Eminence, Neo and approx. 35lbs

Should play well with future Cab's and stack properly

I use Mesa 1x15 so you know my thoughts on 1x15; With today's 15" drivers [Faital in Mesa] and good design they are much improved in Mid articulation and a good 1 cab solution along with 15's low end extension being better controlled

 

[groooooove]

i'm likely the minority in this but i prefer ceramic magnets.

also a huge fan of the genzler type 2" high frequency speakers rather than tweeters.

we need a high freq component, but tweeters are not the ideal. i found the small speakers to be the perfect solution.

 

[Mike Carr]

If you came up with something very small, light and not too expensive for upright players like me who rely on public transportation I'd be very happy to hear about it.