Respectfully, for some of us who are older with health issues, it's not about being lazy.
It's about being able to continue on.
Light weight gear is a beautiful thing, especially at the end of the night.
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Feedback on speaker cabinets wanted
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It's about being able to continue on.
Light weight gear is a beautiful thing, especially at the end of the night.
Clearer? A different clear maybe, but sidestepped the whole light = lazy comment.
* Neo speakers only (no need to tie up cash on extra inventory)
* Use whichever brand of speakers work best for your cabinet design (and are available)
* My real interest is a 2x12, great tone, crazy light, 4 ohms, loud and clear.
* I usually run the tweeters on my Berg, GB, and GR cabinets at 1/4 volume so a tweeter is preferred but not a must.
*I would think that you would want to also include 1x12 at 8ohms, 2x10 at 4 & 8ohms, and maybe a 1x15.
And thanks for asking for our opinions!
* Use whichever brand of speakers work best for your cabinet design (and are available)
* My real interest is a 2x12, great tone, crazy light, 4 ohms, loud and clear.
* I usually run the tweeters on my Berg, GB, and GR cabinets at 1/4 volume so a tweeter is preferred but not a must.
*I would think that you would want to also include 1x12 at 8ohms, 2x10 at 4 & 8ohms, and maybe a 1x15.
And thanks for asking for our opinions!
I stand by my comment. If the *ONLY* reason to go light is weight alone (and the sound suffers) that can only be a case of lazy. (Not sure here what it somhard to grasp . . . .) Light *AND* sounds the same or better is fair, but weight will never be my #1 criteria/priority.
Not going to discuss subjectivity of tone in Class D vs A/B with you. You seem to have your mind set on what works best for you, and that's cool. Though I wish I was as sure about anything as you seem to be about everyone else's motivations for doing what they do.
If you're lucky enough to still be playing when you're old and have more physical limitations, or when you have a monthly gig up a long flight of steep stairs (Yeah. Casters; How's that gonna work), check back in and let us know if you still think everyone else's lazy for preferring lightweight gear. Or not.
Personally, I plan on not hauling 100lb+ cabs and 40 lb+ heads again if I can avoid it. I'm an old dude and have already paid my dues with that.
But you do you as they say.
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The perception of good tone varies wildly and the player may matter more than the gear.
Nowadays, unless you're using "bottom shelf" gear, most can get a good usable sound out of today's gear, neo or not.
I really don't think Mr. Fuchs is going to let that happen.
His reputation is just the opposite.
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small 8Ω boxes and big 4Ω boxes are what make sense to me; these days 4x10s count as "bigger" boxes and probably make more sense at 4Ω
if you do a 2x10 make sure a pair will stack "tallways"; it would also be neat if your 8Ω 2x10 fit cleanly on top of your 4Ω 4x10 to make a monster 2.6Ω 6x10 with all six drivers getting equal power, it might fill the "big cab" niche without making another product
make 'em light (neo) if that can happen without compromising sound
combo jacks or at least one speakon and one 1/4"
beyond that, the driver manufacturer is really none of our business as long as it's a respectable brand
if you do a 2x10 make sure a pair will stack "tallways"; it would also be neat if your 8Ω 2x10 fit cleanly on top of your 4Ω 4x10 to make a monster 2.6Ω 6x10 with all six drivers getting equal power, it might fill the "big cab" niche without making another product
make 'em light (neo) if that can happen without compromising sound
combo jacks or at least one speakon and one 1/4"
beyond that, the driver manufacturer is really none of our business as long as it's a respectable brand
I have no real experience for my opinion, but it seems many people like to be able to angle the cab up when they are close so they can hear it better.
If you make a 2x10 or 2x12 tall cab would it be possible to angle the top speaker up a bit but keep the cab squarish for easier stacking ?
A sloping top speaker should not mean the cab has to be half angled in my uneducated opinion.
If you make a 2x10 or 2x12 tall cab would it be possible to angle the top speaker up a bit but keep the cab squarish for easier stacking ?
A sloping top speaker should not mean the cab has to be half angled in my uneducated opinion.
“Would you want ceramic speakers offered as well in each configuration?”
To start, keep it simple with few options IMO. Depends on sound and what it adds to the weight.
“Would you want 8 as well as 4 ohm boxes available?”
Yes, but only 8 Ohm is fine.
“Do you have any preferences as to Eminence vs Celestion drivers?”
No preference, and since you mentioned Schroeder - he was really on to something with the unique original design, but when his designs all became front-firing with that godawful truck bed liner exterior the world seemed to respond by moving on.
Those worked great in large part because of the low mid focus. Like the low-end roll-off on a sealed 8x10, so no need for extreme low end extension. Something relatively unique like sealed cab designs might be really cool, or multiple small drivers like PJB stuff which sounds fantastic.
1/4” capable please. Speak-On only is a hard pass.
Proper handles please. Those might eat a bit of internal volume, but the spring-loaded handles with the thin grip feels like a wire slicing your hand. To me those fall between a bad joke and an insult.
Best of luck!
To start, keep it simple with few options IMO. Depends on sound and what it adds to the weight.
“Would you want 8 as well as 4 ohm boxes available?”
Yes, but only 8 Ohm is fine.
“Do you have any preferences as to Eminence vs Celestion drivers?”
No preference, and since you mentioned Schroeder - he was really on to something with the unique original design, but when his designs all became front-firing with that godawful truck bed liner exterior the world seemed to respond by moving on.
Those worked great in large part because of the low mid focus. Like the low-end roll-off on a sealed 8x10, so no need for extreme low end extension. Something relatively unique like sealed cab designs might be really cool, or multiple small drivers like PJB stuff which sounds fantastic.
1/4” capable please. Speak-On only is a hard pass.
Proper handles please. Those might eat a bit of internal volume, but the spring-loaded handles with the thin grip feels like a wire slicing your hand. To me those fall between a bad joke and an insult.
Best of luck!
Do you mean something like this?
That would be a fantastic aftermarket bracket that you could buy and mount to your own cab, especially if it is spring-loaded locked in or out.
I think the bracket by itself might be a good seller.
I would not care for those, since weight is something of an issue.
My first choice would be 8 Ohms. Especially on small cabs like those you plan, I would absolutely want the option to expand my rig from one cab to two of them.
I am no expert on the topic. However,
if you're asking about my uneducated preferences, I say Eminence.
Celestion seems to be very popular on the guitar side of things, but those cabinets I liked AND cared enough to research who made the drivers were loaded with Eminence made products.
I can relate to that. As I said, Celestion is popular for guitarists, but their fame does not carry over to the bass playing community in my neck of the woods. Since musicians are superstitious folk, they don't want guitar speakers in their bass cabinets.
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Well, I have samples coming from Celestion and cabinets already with Eminence drivers in them as well, and we should be able to do an a/b comparison and decide which direction we want to go. I agree though, that Celestion tends to be closely associated more with guitar speakers, although they do some very good bass stuff. One of my old bands had Celestion 15" 1000 watt drivers in the bass bins that were absolutely thunderous !
I am a little bit confused, it sounds like you made the cabs and are trying different speakers in them.
I thought with bass you designed the cab for a specific speaker to make it work best.
Hopefully you are designing and making each cab to suit each type of speaker.
I thought with bass you designed the cab for a specific speaker to make it work best.
Hopefully you are designing and making each cab to suit each type of speaker.
I'm quite sure that when you've managed to carve a name for yourself in the speaker-for-instrument-amplification business, you have gotten a thorough understanding of how a speaker works along the way.
I am fairly confident that Celestion can make decent bass speakers.
The way I understand it, cabinet companies can order drivers built to their spec (within given limits, I suspect).
Furthermore, I doubt that as a cabinet maker, you will be judged by the label that is stamped on the rear of the speaker. Bass cabinets usually are not open back, so nobody gets to see the backs of the drivers anyway.
You'll much rather be judged by how much volume you can squeeze out how small and light a package,
and of course by how that thing sounds.
With guitar amplification, the cabinet often is an open box which main job is it to give the amp a place to sit on and make sure the speakers are upright. It is quite common to buy an unloaded cabinet and put in the drivers you like, or change the drivers in a cabinet for ones you like better.
In bass amplification, the cabinet is much more important and it is seen as a system in which the driver plays only a part. It is a rare thing that people get the idea of rolling drivers and when they ask others about it, they mostly are discouraged from doing so.
What I'm trying to say is: The guitarist looks at the speakers while the bassist looks at the cabinet.