Fender Rumble Club

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Hello Rumble people.
I just fell over the Rumble stuff in a music store and was surprised by this gear. I first tried the Bassmann 800 and was mesmerized by it's tone.
Then I saw the Rumble 800, looked at the price difference and expected a big dissapointment.. but I liked the Rumble so much that i threw away my plans for a new cab and decided to go for a new Fender Top first. I had to think about the Bassman and the Rumble head but the portabillity and the aux in / headphones etc made me think that a Rumble is the better choice for me. I do have one question: If the Rumble head is on 2 ohm mode - can I run one 4 ohm plus one 8 ohm cab together (should be 2,7ohm I think) ?
 
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#58,482
Midas said:
Hello Rumble people.
I do have one question: If the Rumble head is on 2 ohm mode - can I run one 4 ohm plus one 8 ohm cab together (should be 2,7ohm I think) ?
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Yes, this is doable and safe for the head. Just keep in mind that the 4-ohm cab will receive a little more power than the 8-ohm cab. It won't be a balanced 50/50 output of power to both.

This may be perfectly fine if the 4-ohm cab is rated for more watts than your 8-ohm. If not, just be aware of the distribution of power in this scenario and keep an ear out for any signs of cab distress at higher volumes.

Worth mention, if so inclined you also could also swap out either of your speakers to a version of ohms that would match the other cab and have a balanced load.
 
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Midas said:
Hello Rumble people.
I just fell over the Rumble stuff in a music store and was surprised by this gear. I first tried the Bassman 800 and was mesmerized by it's tone.
Then I saw the Rumble 800, looked at the price difference and expected a big disappointment.. but I liked the Rumble so much that i threw away my plans for a new cab and decided to go for a new Fender Top first. I had to think about the Bassman and the Rumble head but the portability and the aux in / headphones etc made me think that a Rumble is the better choice for me. I do have one question: If the Rumble head is on 2 ohm mode - can I run one 4 ohm plus one 8 ohm cab together (should be 2,7ohm I think) ?
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All hail His Majesty! The Club has struck gold again!! 1800 karat Gold!!!​

Your Royal Highness, @Midas, you are now member #1800 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Please put that number in your TalkBass Signature for safe keeping. Then make yourself at home here, amongst your people, and on your Rumble Club Wiki page, the repository of all Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

Your Majesty is quite correct about combining cabs of different resistance, as can be confirmed in the Rumble 800 HD manual. Just be aware that the Rumble 800 HD may output up to 400 watts into a single, or each of a double, 8 ohm cab; and up to 800 watts into a 4 ohm, 2.7 ohm, or 2 ohm load. stingray's post above is a very good description of unequal cabs use. But do please feel free to confide any of your Rumbling musings here at any time.

We're all sure you've got "the touch" but, if Your Majesty would be so kind as to regale us, his new subjects, with his noble bass exploits; especially in regards of his Rumbling encounters, we shall all be properly attentive. Your Highness is certain to be a sparkling standout here, as well. Now, let all the realm continue to ... ... ...

Rumble On!
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Brians356 said:
I'd welcome any ideas for headphone monitoring on gigs, since the 'phones output on my R200 combo silences the speaker. I suppose I could open it up and rewire the 'phones jack.
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lowplaces said:
A bass DI with a phones out is an option.
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Or, if you wanna hear your amp's EQ, you could send your XLR Output to the PA, or a local interface, and take a headphone, or IEM, from there.
 
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Texican said:
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So I basically got a free Rumble 210 cab... it was a combo that wouldn’t power up. Fender replaced the customer’s amp and gave me instructions to destroy the amp. I have to send pictures to prove that the unit was destroyed as well as remove the serial number... but the cab was fair game to keep! Does anyone have a schematic handy that can tell me which wire is which? I’m planning on wiring a speaker jack to the harness pictured above. I’m also hoping that the two red wires from the horn on/off switch will work with this rigged setup.
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Did that work?
 
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Brians356 said:
So a "bass DI w/ phones out" (as lowplaces suggested) lacks EQ?
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Unless you plug your Rumble's FX Send, or XLR Out, as the input to the DI, making it a "local interface" as mentioned, it's gonna lack your amp's EQ. Sure, it may have its own EQ controls, but that won't necessarily match what your amp is putting out, if that's what you're looking for.
 
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G-Dog said:
Unless you plug your Rumble's FX Send, or XLR Out, as the input to the DI, making it a "local interface" as mentioned, it's gonna lack your amp's EQ. Sure, it may have its own EQ controls, but that won't necessarily match what your amp is putting out, if that's what you're looking for.
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Well, the only other signal to push to any DI would be the amp's Phones out (ignoring Ext. Speaker obviously), and that was dismissed in my OP since Phones cuts out the speaker. So as soon as a DI device came up, it (to me) had to mean XLR Out (or I suppose FX Send). I feel like two ships passing in the night here! ;-)
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Texican said:
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So I basically got a free Rumble 210 cab... it was a combo that wouldn’t power up. Fender replaced the customer’s amp and gave me instructions to destroy the amp. I have to send pictures to prove that the unit was destroyed as well as remove the serial number... but the cab was fair game to keep! Does anyone have a schematic handy that can tell me which wire is which? I’m planning on wiring a speaker jack to the harness pictured above. I’m also hoping that the two red wires from the horn on/off switch will work with this rigged setup.
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Texican said:
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Yep... my Fender Rumble 210 cab is a “destroyed” rumble 500.
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Texican said:
One of my rigs is a Rumble 500 head through a defective Rumble 500 combo that I converted into a cab. The horn was never connected after the conversion an I think it sounds great!... (so much so that I sold my Eden 210XLT)

I’d like to get another Rumble 210 cab for the full stack, and then I could compare tones with and without the horn.
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Texican said:
I don’t have time to dig up my posts from way back in this thread, but my rumble 210 cab is basically the 500 combo with the head unit ripped out and the speakers wired to a speaker jack. The only issue you will run into is that the crossover on the combos is part of the head unit. So you won’t be able to use your tweeter unless you wire in a new crossover.
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jergriffin said:
Did that work?
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Yes, it worked! See extra posts above. 😄

Welcome to TalkBass, jerry! Do you have a Rumble? We'd love to have you join The Club. 👍
 
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Brians356 said:
Well, the only other signal to push to any DI would be the amp's Phones out (ignoring Ext. Speaker obviously), and that was dismissed in my OP since Phones cuts out the speaker. So as soon as a DI device came up, it (to me) had to mean XLR Out (or I suppose FX Send). I feel like two ships passing in the night here! ;-)
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Pardon me. I may have been projecting my own DI bias/ignorance onto you, for which I apologize. 🥺

By way of explanation, I am generally anti-external-DI, especially in PRE-EQ use, which I believe to usually circumvent the amp's EQ. I actually love that my R500c has no PRE-mode XLR! If I'm in the PA, I want it to have my carefully crafted POST-EQ signal (including volume levels!) to start out with; even more so when I'm using my multi-voiced Rumble Studio 40. The sound person might change it before it comes out of the PA, but I can't help that. 😡

When you seemed to want to use headphones with your amp without muting the speakers I assumed you might want the amp's EQ in the headphones for true WYHIWYG (What You Hear Is What You Get). I don't usually think of an external DI as taking input from an FX Send or XLR Out, but most often from the bass guitar directly, ahead of the amp's Input. I, instead, thought of an audio interface, like a mixer or DAW, converting those outputs from the amp to headphone output. 🤔

Sorry to have been so cryptic. I hope this clarifies my position and puts us on the same page, if not in the same boat. 😄
 
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G-Dog said:
Pardon me. I may have been projecting my own DI bias/ignorance onto you, for which I apologize. 🥺

By way of explanation, I am generally anti-external-DI, especially in PRE-EQ use, which I believe to usually circumvent the amp's EQ. I actually love that my R500c has no PRE-mode XLR! If I'm in the PA, I want it to have my carefully crafted POST-EQ signal (including volume levels!) to start out with; even more so when I'm using my multi-voiced Rumble Studio 40. The sound person might change it before it comes out of the PA, but I can't help that. 😡

When you seemed to want to use headphones with your amp without muting the speakers I assumed you might want the amp's EQ in the headphones for true WYHIWYG (What You Hear Is What You Get). I don't usually think of an external DI as taking input from an FX Send or XLR Out, but most often from the bass guitar directly, ahead of the amp's Input. I, instead, thought of an audio interface, like a mixer or DAW, converting those outputs from the amp to headphone output. 🤔

Sorry to have been so cryptic. I hope this clarifies my position and puts us on the same page, if not in the same boat. 😄
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I like having the choice. My BECOS CompIQ compressor pedal with the DITOS option (transformer isolated DI out) is the first one in the chain after my tuner. For recording purposes, it's nice be able to blend that uncolored bass signal with whatever else I do to it down-chain. Heck, if I wanted to go nuts in that direction, I could record the dry DI from my CompIQ, the amp's PRE and the POST DIs, and mic the amp, using MeldaProduction's MAutoAlign to make sure all four signals are in phase. :bassist: :eek::cool:
 
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LeMaartien said:
I like having the choice. My BECOS CompIQ compressor pedal with the DITOS option (transformer isolated DI out) is the first one in the chain after my tuner. For recording purposes, it's nice be able to blend that uncolored bass signal with whatever else I do to it down-chain. Heck, if I wanted to go nuts in that direction, I could record the dry DI from my CompIQ, the amp's PRE and the POST DIs, and mic the amp, using MeldaProduction's MAutoAlign to make sure all four signals are in phase. :bassist: :eek::cool:
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Whatever happened to the SM57 in front of the amp in the bathroom method?(sigh)
 
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GonePlaid said:
Whatever happened to the SM57 in front of the amp in the bathroom method?(sigh)
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That's how I started, except with a Sennheiser E609 that was designed to hang via its cable and lie flat against the face of the amp.

And then what happened? GAS!

And then was happened? New toys!

So it goes... :bassist: :smug:
 
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