Getting that tight low end fundamental note under distortion

So, thinking just theoretically here, if I had an LS-2 after my overdrive, with one path being split to an EQ which removes everything except low end, and the other path also with an EQ except removing the low end instead, then on the first path having a compressor squashing the sh*t out of it, then blending the two back together, could that work?

With a couple of decent mini-pedals I reckon it could be done without costing too much and without taking up too much space!
 
You'd be surprised how much a High Pass Filter will clear up high gain tones. I crank mine up to 90hz to get that chest thumping grind. Eliminates all that muddy low end. My speakers thank me too.

Just grab a dirt pedal that match your tastes. You'll be blown away when paired with an HPF.

Correct me if I'm saying something stupid here, but how is that not taking the meat out of your signal? Is anything that low really just mud?
 
I always wonder why more distortion boxes don’t have a built in crossover specifically for this reason. I prefer fuzz myself, and the Swollen Pickle adds low end plus you can sort of mix your dry/effected signal.

My thoughts exactly! I'd absolutely love a distortion unit for only the Mid-High end. Really surprised no one has does this yet considering how often its done in a mixing scenario.

Brimstone audio crossover distortion
Iron Ether Divaricator
EBS Multidrive

There may be others, but there are at least these 3 that fit your description. I agree there should be more.

I found that trying to crossover the distortion using an IE Divaricator was not as easy as I anticipated, and the tone was not what I expected nor wanted. When you crossover the clean lows, you aren't sending them to the clipping section, which changes the gain of the signal your are trying to clip, and the resulting tone can be quite different from the clipped tone of a full range signal. I think better results would come from having a gradual slope roll-off on the clean highs *after* the signal sent to the distortion channel. In fact, I'd want a bit of cut in the lows running into the clipping section (because that is what I like) but not a fully crossed over signal with a steep 4-pole slope. In studio mixing, there is generally a split of the signal and a full range clean tone and a full range distorted tone *driven* by the full range clean tone are mixed and layered. With a pedal using a crossover, the tones for blending are set before the distortion gets the full clean signal.

Ideally, I'd want an impossible *dynamic* crossover (with a gradual slope) where the lowest X% of the signal is kept clean. The issue I see with available real world crossovers, IMHO, is the fixed frequency cutoff point. For example, imagine setting the crossover at 100 Hz, You'd get the fundamental on all notes up to the G# (104 Hz) on a standard tuned bass G string (first fret). Higher than that, and you get no benefit from the crossover, as the fundamental is above the crossover, so the signal would be fully distorted, making the crossover pointless, though a clean fundamental seems less meaningful on those strings/notes. You'd also get the clean first overtone up to the G#/Ab on the E string, since the A above it is 55 Hz. So for some of your fret board, you are getting a clean fundamental and some of it you are getting a fundamental and a first overtone. I just picked 100 Hz as an example. Move it up or down and you still have the issue of some notes getting a clean fundamental, some getting additional overtones in the clean channel, and some notes bypassing the clean channel. I think this creates tone inconsistencies in how the notes present.

I think this is why more builders don't include a crossover blend; because there are too many ways to skin this cat, and many of them can be tricky and lead less sophisticated users to bad results.

I do want to try the COG 66 Mini, and their implementation of the clean blend, which rolls off the high end from the blended clean signal.

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Brimstone audio crossover distortion
Iron Ether Divaricator
EBS Multidrive

There may be others, but there are at least these 3 that fit your description. I agree there should be more.
A few more pedals:
Ashdown James Lomenzo Hyper Drive
Wounded Paw Blacksheep
Tech 21 dUg pedal (to be released soon)

Wounded Paw Bass701 and Tech 21 dUg 1000 are both amps that have this built in.
 
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I used to think that way too - until I tried it.

I found out that the bulk of the chest pounding bass comes from the 120-300 hz range, with an emphasis on 250hz. Everything below 80 or 90 hz is generally unnecessary rumble that produces a perceived mud sound to the human ear. Plus, you won't interfere with the drummer's kick, which actually thickens the sound of the whole band.

If you get a chance and have access to an amp with variable frequency controls, try toying around with the super low frequencies and the low mids. You'll find that sound you're looking for!
 
I used to think that way too - until I tried it.

I found out that the bulk of the chest pounding bass comes from the 120-300 hz range, with an emphasis on 250hz. Everything below 80 or 90 hz is generally unnecessary rumble that produces a perceived mud sound to the human ear. Plus, you won't interfere with the drummer's kick, which actually thickens the sound of the whole band.

If you get a chance and have access to an amp with variable frequency controls, try toying around with the super low frequencies and the low mids. You'll find that sound you're looking for!

Might have to invest in an EQ pedal and mess around a bit soon in that case!
 
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I used to think that way too - until I tried it.

I found out that the bulk of the chest pounding bass comes from the 120-300 hz range, with an emphasis on 250hz. Everything below 80 or 90 hz is generally unnecessary rumble that produces a perceived mud sound to the human ear. Plus, you won't interfere with the drummer's kick, which actually thickens the sound of the whole band.

If you get a chance and have access to an amp with variable frequency controls, try toying around with the super low frequencies and the low mids. You'll find that sound you're looking for!
I found this to be especially useful for upright bass. Most of those sub freq’s Aren’t really heard and rob you of headroom. Even with the FDeck which cuts below 35hz I have zero problem having my bass guitar or upright sound “full” and as an added bonus I find it mixes better with a drummer.

Of course, notch filtering comes in handier with the upright where 250hz can give you feedback headaches.

What’s REALLY interesting to me is how sub and synth pedals react with a HPF. When used in conjunction with some compression, I feel like they track much better and you still get meaty subby goodness.
 
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It can be if not treated well, it is a tricky region to deal with

Well stated. In heavy music like this (especially all the down-tuning and what not) mud is going to be a real problem to work around. You’ll have to compete with heavy guitars and probably a double kick-drum. That’s a lot of people invading the low end. Heck, I work around mud in top 40, soul/R&B and classic rock tunes.

In my experience, cutting low lows is going to be a benefit in most situations. Judging by this guy’s playing (and that graph from the second clip) he does just that. There also seems to be some compression in there, as those levels seem super even.

I don’t know this dude at all, but my hat’s off to him. He seems to have spent some time getting a tone that contributes to the band, and helps him stand out at the same time.
 
Nolly is a bass technical wizz, due to his role as a producer mixing often very heavy bands, I imagine he's fantastic at knowing exactly how to fit his bass amongst those sort of tones.

I don't play anywhere near that low, infact often just drop D, would cutting the 40hz still be hugely beneficial there?

And Skennedy32, that's a technical looking bit of kit you've got there! Unfortunately I'm in the UK and import charges are a nightmare, thanks all the same though.
 
Everything below 80 or 90 hz is generally unnecessary rumble that produces a perceived mud sound to the human ear.

I'll respectfully disagree. Through a lot of bass amps, yes, the lowest octave can get muddy - the speakers in bass amps generally don't reproduce 40 Hz very well. Through a decent PA, however, with subs that do the job well, I think you'll find the answer changes - a lot. I regularly play through PA's that shake places in that region, and your ear doesn't mind it at all. Your body sure notices, however.
 
On a side note (just happened to pop up on my Spotify as I was browsing on here), if you guys want another awesome example of how well having a clean low in the mix works, listen to 'Here We Go' by Lower Than Atlantis, a bit poppy for me but the bass is THICCKK
 
I actually think that it sounds good, but.....I bought one of those, based on that demo, and when I got it, ick...the drive section had a polarity (phase) inversion that killed your low end. Sounded horribly thin. Sent it back