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Jeff Berlin asks - Post Bass Lines that Got You to Practice with a Metronome
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Are people on TB serious?
What is an absolute is that if you learn the rules of the road or go to a culinary school, you should be absolutely learning academically how those things work to the highest standards. This is all that any academic setting can promise. And most academic situations seem to fulfill this need to impart facts. Except bass education!
Look closely, they are placed on a board that swings side to side. Very cool but not magic.
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What is an absolute is that many of the greatest artists in the world had absolutely no academic background in their art.
Does someone get a bass teacher to learn to make music, or to learn the theory behind the music they want to learn to make?
A student has the right to choose the route they want to take.
But isn't a metronome just another demonstration of time?
Some might be able to get good time, but what do you with the ones who don't? You haven't really answered my question in several pages. You say people acquire good time, by playing musical content. That seems to me like one can become a racing driver, by driving. It might work for some, but most will have to work a lot on the simulator. (the metronome here)
Good question! My answer is that it is a demonstration of time that doesn't exist in music.
All due respect to you and your opinion on metronomes Jeff but I think you might be loosing credibility with the blanket statements and generalizations you keep throwing out there. Metronomes and BPM is a major part of almost entire genres of music in today’s world. EDM is almost exclusively set to metronomic time and the producers of this music are world famous whether we like it or not.
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You’re serious aren’t you?
Not unless they wish to learn what Jeff Berlin believes they need to learn, would be accurate.
What you said is your opinion. But I know you believe, from all you’ve been saying, that it's fact.
I’m almost at the point where this is just mildly amusing. The next step after that will be unsubscribing from these threads. It’s the defects in MY character that keep me entertained here....
@Roy Royerson , I agree.
Haha! Okay, they have the right NOT to learn (come on man, work with me here).
Someone mentioned the relationship between time and the human heartbeat which is an interesting concept. The metronome test video where the metromomes eventually synched (albeit, the table was also moving), got me thinking about how, when a band swings, the audience swings in sync. If the band doesn't swing, or have a groove, the audience is lost and will find something else to occupy their time, like having conversations, or going to the bar.
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OK! Students don't have the right nor the experience to decide what they should learn. Further, they pay teachers to be in charge of their musical improvement but often don't let the teachers teach properly. It has been said here quite often by bass teachers that in order to prevent disgruntled students from leaving, they teach them what they want to keep them happy. This is an educational abomination.Haha! Okay, they have the right NOT to learn (come on man, work with me here).
Only in the teaching of the electric bass guitar have I seen where students are given the right to choose their teacher, choose their subject of learning, and are denied a specific education in music but literally encouraged to view learning as a broad approach. But, this doesn't exist in other forms of musical learning. Bass players are denied that their core musical needs are attended to because they now have permission to be a part of the way that they will be taught.
There is no way around the truth: students are required to let the teach be in charge of their musical development. If they take this responsibility upon themselves, they won't improve as players. This is a fact!
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Sorry to always seeming to be the anti-guy about things that people bring up. But there is no relationship of with ones heartbeat and musical time of any kind. This is a total myth.
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No. That's not a fact. It's a ludicrous opinion. Players are improving every day, without following your (or any teacher's) requirement. Students more often than not, even when they have the best teachers - aren't listening to many of the things they're being taught and told anyhow. And lo and behold - they still improve! By playing with musicians better than them. By finding other teachers. By learning from books and other sources. By experience.
I'll add that a teacher can't teach someone how to play well on stage, nor with others. That's something that has to be experienced, not taught.
By your logic I'd be at the same place in my playing as I was when I first picked up a bass.
It's a good idea for a student to submit to what a teacher is telling them, but the teacher might very well be wrong in his/her approach - or teaching something that simply won't work for that particular student. It happens all the time. Teacher teaches what worked for them or what they "believe" is best, but it doesn't work for student. Student must then find another teacher. All students learn differently. THAT is a fact.
Try teaching special ed for a while, and see how you feel about your absolutes. I'm certain many of the greatest bass players would have been labeled as such also.
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Really?
What if someone couldn't care less about theory, and really just wanted to put out some killer ideas they had in their head regarding slap bass. Is there any reason in the world they shouldn't put all their energy into becoming the meanest slap happiest bassist possible - if that's all they wanted to do?
How can you or I decide what someone needs to do in order to create wonderful, awe inspiring, jaw dropping art?
If what you said is true, there would be no such thing as music because there would be nobody to teach to the people who first created it.
Like it or not, there are some people who just want to be able to make an instrument sing.
I could teach that to them, and possibly help them to become an awesome, successful, happy musician.
If they're people like me, you couldn't do that.
That's a fact.
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I thought that this was extremely forthcoming of you. I am glad that you got my point. Best from Jeff
I'm not referring to a relationship between ones heartbeat and musical time, but the relationship as a whole, involving band/musician and that connection they have with the audience. As far as I'm concerned, whether one uses a metronome or not is a forgone conclusion and is nobody's business. It is up to the individual to decide. I do not subscribe to absolutes. Where can you go from an absolute? There are as many paths to take as there are individuals to take them. Religion (only as an example I use the term) proves that .
My thoughts are now concerning the incorporeal nature of music, which possibly concludes my involvement with this thread since it doesn't pertain to the OP. My mention of heartbeat pertains to pulse. Pulse varies from person to person. However, in a concert setting, the pulse of many are synced in a way that jchrisk1 video of the metronomes illustrated.
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