Staying off the Booze

I'm 9-1/2 yrs off the sauce. I had a medical episode on tour 2700 miles away from home, fully related to drinking and anxiety. Nothing like ending up in a third (and a half) world hospital, having a BP of 220/170, forgetting every bit of high school spanish to communicate, staring at the cracks in the ceiling and looking at the suction cup EKG stuff on your body and going.. hmm, how did I end up here? For me it was full stop only. No "beer or two" before the gig or whatever, that doesn't work- for me anyway. It was the best decision I ever made. My playing is better, I own my own business now, I "wake up" in the mornings instead of "coming to". No heart meds, I have more money in my wallet - nothing but benefits by quitting.

Will you benefit from quitting? That's up to you and you only. You have to make up your own mind - no one can tell you what to do.

Social anxiety is not something that should be considered "treated" with alcohol. Either you are comfortable around others or you are not. I have claustrophobia as well- last thing I want to do is be in a crowd during my set break but sometimes you just gotta buck up. Be strong for yourself. It's not easy - but what in this life is? Don't be afraid to talk to non-drinkers and ask them how they deal with stuff, even if their methods dont work for you, it helps get stuff off your chest.
 
Alcohol is an established carcinogen and alcohol consumption increases the risk of several cancers, including breast, liver, head and neck, oesophageal and colorectal cancers. In 2019, 4.4% of cancers diagnosed globally and 401 000 cancer deaths were attributed to alcohol consumption. I’d advise to quit all together immediately.
 
I stopped drinking over seven years ago, mostly, I consume maybe 8 drinks in year, and only for special occasions. IME trying to find your groove without the booze just takes time. It’s like anything you do that is new or out of your normal habits. Just keep at it and it will happen. If you feel your stress levels are high or having a bit of anxiety try some really basic breathing techniques, they work surprisingly well.

Best wishes and enjoy the clarity of sobriety.
 
You might just play better totally sober, especially from a rhythmic/timing standpoint. I know I do, and I need every advantage I can get! Best wishes.
 
I think many are missing the point. As I read it the OP doesn't have a problem with alcohol except to the extent that he uses it to make himself feel less socially awkward. He isn't an alcoholic but a drink or too frees him up to interact with the patrons in a way that he feels is beneficial business wise for the band. I'm the same way. So the question appears to more accurately be "how can I be more social and active with the customers without drinking?" and not "how can I stop being an alcoholic?"
 
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The only thing wrong with you is in your opening statement. "I found I need". Now the mind is a very powerful thing and you've already told it that it NEEDED a beer to function. So that is now true. Changing your mindset is all that is needed here. Facts are you don't "NEED" a drink at all. Remember, YOU are the interesting one here. People are coming out to see / hear you. They'd probably be a bit disappointed that they had to wait for one of their favorites to finish a beer before he could communicate with them. And in fact, thats not true. If you can play bass "straight" then you can talk to almost anybody...... Well, maybe not that smoking hot chick who's been throwing you that eye. But she'll probably prefer the shy / clumsy you over the drunk you anyways..... after all, you're already "HOT" - you're the bass player
 
needing alcohol for social interactions is one sign of alcoholism. I’m not trying to judge or anything, but if you can’t skip the beer for a week or two, maybe consider talking to a professional. You know yourself better than I know you. I only know what you’ve said in one post.
 
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Setup= a picture of Ice water on stage. Maybe a coke if they're free.

A beer or two during the gig.

Tear down= another picture of water on stage. Cops around here are notorious for parking outside the bar at closing time.
 
I'm the same and it sucks. What's painful is knowing you have it within you to be social and charismatic, but the alcohol seems to hold the key.

Unfortunately if you get a lot of gigs it becomes a problem to drink at every one.

I take it one gig at a time. Some gigs it's worth it to unlock the social butterfly.

Most run of the mill gigs it's not worth it. In those cases I focus on load in, load out and the show itself. During breaks I either hide or play on my phone. If someone talks to me I'm friendly and polite, but short. It's tough to feel socially inept at those shows, but at end of the night I'm happy I made it home to my wife and kids without a DUI / Sickness / Infidelity Incident.

Good luck.

PS - Develop sleight of hand for discreetly dumping out shots bought by fans. I NEVER take them.
 
You're already asking the right questions by saying 'could this become a problem now that I'm gigging more and drinking more as a result?' The answer may not be apparent for years. It's complicated.

I am going on 3 years totally alcohol free, but was moving in that direction for years before that. I stopped drinking on gigs over a decade ago, mostly because I did not like how it made me play. Before that, especially in one of my more 'party band' groups, I drank during sets fairly regularly, but was always the least inebriated one because.... well... I'm the bassist and had to hold it down.

The key to all of it is deciding that you don't want to drink anymore. You HAVE to come to that decision on your own, and there are often a lot of 'false starts' before you eventually get to your 'line in the sand'. I used to rationalize with myself during gigs and say well I'll only have one early in the night. But then one doesn't give you a buzz. So you have 2.... and then someone offers to buy the band a round and it becomes 3. And.... at the end of the night you're playing like crap and still have to find a way to get home safely. 'Safely' often turns into rationalizing that you're fine to drive when you're not.

The bottom line, and recordings prove this, is that alcohol DOES NOT make you play better. Hands down, no question, it does not. If you perceive that it DOES - and you REQUIRE alcohol to play - then you have become a functioning alcoholic on some level.

I have always been a nervous person, an introvert, and socially awkward, and have dealt with depression on and off at points through my life. I initially started drinking in college before I was of age. All of my musician friends drank. I wanted to be part of the club. Alcohol did help to quell a lot of that awkwardness for a long time and allowed me to function by lowering those inhibitions. What I learned though was that alcohol *long-term* actually made all of that worse, because alcohol is a depressant and will intensify depression in some (most?) people.

When I turned 40, my body really started rejecting alcohol. Hangovers got worse and lasted longer. I gained an inordinate amount of weight in a short period of time, especially during the pandemic when I started drinking even more. I started to cut back, drinking 'only on the weekends' but sneaking in several on weekday nights and not admitting it, and trying to have a non-alcoholic beer in between regular ones. It took me until January of 2022, when I had 2 or 3 higher gravity beers one night and was absolutely wrecked the next day, to say 'that's it.' I never had alcohol after that. I did switch to non-alcoholic brews for a while like Athletic Brewing, Heineken, Guinness, etc because they do taste pretty much like real beers, and that's what I was also having on gigs for a while when I wanted a 'beer' but knew I didn't want alcohol. They helped the transition a lot.

Fast-forward to last year, and I found out I was gluten-intolerant, and beer is full of gluten/wheat. So my body was dealing with THAT on top of the alcohol for a long time as well. I'm lucky I don't have any major health issues as a result of all of it, probably due to my healthy diet and the fact I've been a runner for most of my life and have been very active. Now, the most beer-like thing I have is a hop water (gluten free... has hops in it!).

Ever since I quit for good, my weight has dropped back to my college-era weight ( 15lbs lighter), my anxiety is much better, I am LESS nervous in social settings, and I know I will never, ever get a hangover again.... or put myself or others in danger if I make a decision I shouldn't have made. My life has only improved and become more rich without alcohol. The experiences of the past 2 weeks, living through and still recovering from Hurricane Helene, have made me so glad I don't drink, because this certainly would have been a life event where I would have turned right to it to cope in the past. Needed to be sharp to make decisions throughout all of it.

That's a lot to share, and probably more than you wanted to know, but the point is this..... quitting is not always cut and dry. It's a journey. But you absolutely cannot quit until you make up your mind that you are done - and you need people in your corner to support you as well!

If you are questioning why you need alcohol to play or be comfortable socially, then it means you probably do need to find a way to transition away from it, even if it's just in that given situation. Start by having a non alcoholic beer option on gigs instead of regular beers. Often it's the psychological crutch of having something in your hand to drink - not the alcohol itself. I learned that lesson for sure.
 
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I think many are missing the point. As I read it the OP doesn't have a problem with alcohol except to the extent that he uses it to make himself feel less socially awkward. He isn't an alcoholic but a drink or too frees him up to interact with the patrons in a way that he feels is beneficial business wise for the band. I'm the same way. So the question appears to more accurately be "how can I be more social and active with the customers without drinking?" and not "how can I stop being an alcoholic?"

The point isn't being missed. The OP is asking 'I usually drink X number of drinks when I play gigs. If I play more gigs and drink that much on each gig, and I don't feel like I can play and be 'social' without alcohol, could it be a problem?' The answer, as others are sharing, is that it could. I admire that kind of self-awareness. Depending on alcohol to function in any setting on or off stage has the very real potential to become a dependency issue, and quickly at that.
 
I think many are missing the point. As I read it the OP doesn't have a problem with alcohol except to the extent that he uses it to make himself feel less socially awkward. He isn't an alcoholic but a drink or too frees him up to interact with the patrons in a way that he feels is beneficial business wise for the band. I'm the same way. So the question appears to more accurately be "how can I be more social and active with the customers without drinking?" and not "how can I stop being an alcoholic?"
Yup. Too many people inferring (and more than inferring) that the OP is an alcoholic, or has a problem when they don't even know the OP.

At its core, it's a social anxiety issue, not an alcohol issue, although it could turn into an alcohol issue if certain factors come into play. Having a few drinks before someone interacts socially is not a problem, any more than taking a xanax before a flight, smoking a joint before "dealing with family," or taking beta blockers before public speaking. Not everyone falls down the "slippery slope" - in fact, most don't.

is it ideal? Absolutely not. Ideally, social anxiety and behavioral changes are best done with a holistic approach, typically a combination of therapy and medication - either point solutions or more comprehensive medication in severe cases. From what the OP states, he seems to be looking for help with a mild case of social anxiety, of which a little bit of therapy would be the best place to start.

That being said, billions of people over the years have had a few drinks to relax and haven't turned onto alcoholics. People overuse the term "need" - most likely even in the OP (I don't know them so I can't say for sure). Needing alcohol is indeed a horrible thing, and it's very different from "I could use a beer or two to loosen up."

That being said, having a beer or two CAN absolutely turn into over indulgence - the OP seems to be aware of that (and has also stated that they are already not a drinker and can go months etc.). Again, the real solution is noted above, but it's entirely normal to have a drink or two situationally when stressed or anxious. OP said they are doing it more and more, and doesn't want to develop a problem, which is a healthy way to look at it, but they don't need to stop drinking, they need to address the core issue and enjoy a beer or two every once in awhile.

Finally, and I know that I am going to get dragged for this, but the whole drinking before/while playing is situational/personal; one can't make a blanket statement that covers everyone. Clearly I'm not talking about over indulging or playing sloppy drunk, but the easiest way to think about it is like this (and this kind of dovetails into the OP) - if someone has stage fright and is mistake prone, having a drink can calm the nerves, make then less nervous and they make less mistakes, not to mention they are able to actually have fun. I'm not advocating that someone get hammered while playing, and IME the "looser" one gets, the more creative yet less precise a player is.

If I have a corp gig, or playing precise is key, I'll be stone sober, but there's nothing like smoking a joint and getting into the groove/flow in a jam band.
 
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The problem is that within human DNA and those deep recesses of your brain, moderation is a wonderful idea, and from my strictly experience base of 20-odd years on just about every kind of bandstand, stage, and bus, it's at best a moving target, and generally in practice road-kill. Alcohol is a very insidious pitfall in that it's legal, available most everywhere, advertised everywhere, and in our circles, the most obvious and easy to get occupational hazard.

I learned not to preach a long time ago, but an objective look at the many possible outcomes of what happens when it handles you instead you handling it are all bad, often expensive, and occasionally deadly to you or even worse, someone else.

And take it from me: YOU DON'T PLAY BETTER AFTER A COUPLE.
 
I enjoy the occassional pinch of brown liquor, but never when I'm on-the-job because then it just makes me feel all tired and garbagy.
 
I think it is very critical that you realize that you don't need drinking to enjoy socializing. People are probably very interested in you just as you are. Take time during breaks to ask people you meet questions about their life. You will be amazed how much people enjoy telling you about themselves. Practicing that will help you approach social time at shows positively. Alcohol can be fun, but it is always going to be poison for your body. It will take its tole on you. I've been sober for a bit, and one of the things I saw improve rapidly was the amount of anxiety I felt in many situations. Alcohol use causes anxiety and it progresses. It feels great to be free of a lot of that. Thanks for asking about this!
 
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Joining Toastmasters is a cure for social anxiety for some. Like others have said, it might take a bit of work. I highly agree that giving up drinking is a good way to go. Once you learn presentation skills at Toastmasters, you will feel at home interfacing with the audience. Most folks at Toastmasters are usually well connected business types and you will likely find some great opportunities as a musician. Everyone is highly supportive.
 
I’m not a big drinker, I’ll have a few at a party or a night out, but I can go without for weeks/months at a time. However, I’m also not comfortable in social situations.

I’ve found that I need to have 3-4 beers each gig. One after setting up, and one in each break to settle me into socializing. I can perform all night without a drink, there’s no stage fright. There’s only off-stage fright. I like to be a little bit “lubricated” because otherwise I’m very shy, with a couple of beers I can at least shake hands and make polite small-talk with people who come out to see us.

It wasn’t a problem when we gigged once a month, but now it is 2-3 times a week and I’m worried its effecting my general wellbeing.

I know there’s a lot of non-drinkers and recovering drinker on these boards, so what’s the tip for being social without booze? Especially when 100% of your gigs are in "drinking establishments"
I got myself silly-ass drunk, seeing double on a surfing trip when I was 15. There were 5 or 6 of us who were staying overnight on a beach north of Santa Barbara that didn't have much traffic but had some good surf. Was about an hour away from home. When we got there one of the guys headed up the beach and started pulling all kinds of booze out from under some rocks where he had stashed it. He was worried there wasn't enough for everyone, so we sat in a circle and passed the bottles around. We were all 15 and 16-yrs. old. Bottles of booze were: bourbon, vodka, sloe gin, rum, tequila, some regular gin, and perhaps something else. These were all partial bottles like he'd snagged them from his parents liquor cabinet over time. That was a terrible mix of booze as we drank from each bottle and passed it on.

I got totally drunk and could not walk very well to the point I was crawling on the beach. I looked up at our campsite in the sand and saw two lanterns. I asked Charlie if he brought two lanterns and he said he only brought one. I then covered one eye with my hand and sure enough there was only one there 🤪. I really hated that feeling of not being in control....and then I got sick along with everyone else an puked my guts out - at least that fed the fish. I decided I was never going to get drunk like that ever again.

Never really had a challenge to that decision until I started touring with a nightclub group in 1971. We were playing 4-hour gigs, 5-nights a week 50-weeks a year. Did that for 3-years. We played really nice clubs across the Coastal states, Mountain states, and mid-West. However, when we came back into CA to play we seemed to always play military clubs. Military clubs are fine as long as they are not the only things you are playing. After 4-weeks of playing in CA, we'd about had enough of military clubs.

Finally got after our agent to stop putting us in military clubs in CA with the exception of Lemoore Naval Air Station, which was out in the boonies of the San Joaquin Valley. It was the home of a carrier Fighter Wing. They paid well; we were treated well by both the O-Club and the NCO-Club, and was a relaxing place to stay, They let us stay in the Naval Lodge, which was cheap, and we would get at least one really nice meal compted to us because the Officer's Club and the NCO club had an ongoing competition to convince us that their club had a better chef than the other club (both chefs served us excellent meals!). Otherwise meals there were not expensive. We also only played 4-nights there (Thurs.-Sunday) instead of 5-nights, so we got Monday-Wednesday off when we played there. I actually used that time in 1972 to marry my wife back in my home town. Next day we had to drive to Lemoore.

The deal with military clubs is that booze is cheap there...real cheap. We would disburse into the crowd at each of our 3 breaks per night at all of our venues and schmooze with the customers. They would usually be back another night or two with friends and impress those friends that "they knew members of the band!" Worked well for us as it helped the places do well whenever we played there. Invariably these cistomers would buy us a drink...only it was never one drink at a military club, it was always two drinks. So one night I stop in at this one table and they get me two Jack Daniels on the rocks (was years before I started drinking single-malt scotch). Sets were 45-minutes with 15-minute breaks. I finished one and then half of another. Next break, my half of a drink was there along with 2 more. Next break I had 1½ old drinks plus 2 more. Managed to drink the 1½. That last set though was a REAL problem. My fingers weren't working all that well and I was making a lot of mistakes. At the end of the night, those guys were still at the table and expected me to drink all 4-drinks that were now there. I drank one more, apologized, and called it a night. I prided my self on my accurate bass playing and it was anything but accurate on that last set...I once again swore, "Never Again!"

So the next day before we went up on stage I had a little talk with the bartender. I told him I was trying to not drink so much and people kept feeding me drinks. I asked if he could, when someone ordered "Dan's Usual "give me an alcohol-free Bloody Mary". That way I didn't have to insult the folks trying to buy me drinks but could still play my bass all night long just fine. He said sure and said he'd be there for the next three days. So when audience members asked what I was drinking I'd say, "Just ask the Bartender for 'Dan's Usual'.

After that I had no trouble controlling my fingers again. That actually worked fine for me. Sometimes I'd get a real Bloody Mary, but usually I got a Virgin Bloody Mary and never got sloppy drunk again. Never really had that problem with beer because you usually can't tell at a glance if its full or not. But you might try changing your drinks to @bigboy_78's "Usuals" and see if that works for you.

Now days my drink of choice is single malt scotch which I sip sparingly. I enjoy them a lot with a preference for Islay, Speyside, and Highland single-malts but they are waaaay too expensive to slug down. I also brew my own beer (typically takes a month from brew day to drink-one day) and I stretch those out too just because I don't want to run out and I'm averse to buying very much beer at today's prices. Even at that brew pub, where we hosted so many Open Mic Nights with free beer provided to us, I rarely drank more than 2. You might try talking the bar keep into serving you your usual...
 
Back when I played open mic nights I would go with one or two bourbon&Cokes on the rocks. Then it hit me that heer I am, trying to play songs I've never played or maybe never even heard, under hot lights and drinking a beverage that dehydrates me. So I switched to orange juice over ice. Nowadays even if I am in a bar but not playing, it's still orange juice.