Just flip the cab upside down (swap the feet from the bottom to the top, and the stacking cups from the top to the bottom), and that gap raises the 15" higher of the ground, and closer to the 10" speakers.
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Team Trace Elliot pt4.
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Just flip the cab upside down (swap the feet from the bottom to the top, and the stacking cups from the top to the bottom), and that gap raises the 15" higher of the ground, and closer to the 10" speakers.
Got this old stack recently, with a couple of well-worn but fully functioning TE cabs:
I've always loved Trace Elliot and I know should get a TE head to match, but this Peavey tube rig sounds pretty amazing.
I've always loved Trace Elliot and I know should get a TE head to match, but this Peavey tube rig sounds pretty amazing.
My goodness - just did a band practice with the GP7 head with the 4x10 cab and it sounded awesome, much better than with its original 1x15. Luckily I don't have to move it anytime soon. At 50% gain, a volume of 3.5 on the master was fine to be heard over the drummer, just proving that the 4x10 arrangement is indeed a lot louder than the same amp through a single 1x15.
(As a reminder I flipped the head from the 1x15 enclosure into the 4x10 enclosure)
(As a reminder I flipped the head from the 1x15 enclosure into the 4x10 enclosure)
If the 410 is wired for 4 Ohms and the single 15 is an 8 ohm plus more drivers in the 410 and more efficient.
They are both 8 Ohm - the difference is the speaker surface area. My tech friend thinks the difference between a 1x15 and 4x10 with the same amp is equivalent to doubling the wattage in terms of volume given double the speaker area.
...but the final glory goes to TE, despite being so old the amp still sounds amazing (and dare I say my Aguillar 350 can't touch it)!
Right. 4 ten's offer more surface area and the enclosure tuning design of a 410 tends to produce lower frequencies.
Although I seem to remember the 1048 port was tuned for 50hz, and the 1518 port was tuned to 30hz.
I'm pretty sure you can verify if I've remembered that correctly, by searching for the first SMX era catalogue (1993?).
I seem to remember it going into detail about the port tuning options, as they moved away from a single slot port, to twin tube ports with removable plugs.
Assuming I remember correctly :
Both ports plugged = infinite baffle
Both ports unplugged = 50hz (1048) / 30Hz (1518)
Single port plugged = I can't remember.
A lot of those catalogues are available as either pdf, or jpeg. There are also a lot of user manuals available, which may give the info too.
It's so beautifully ugly. I want it.
I seem to remember Trace Elliot producing a line of Fender Jazz style basses (also in green) in the mid-90's, which would be a bit more acceptable in public, but obviously wouldn't have the history of that specific instrument.
Yep, the T-bass! They were really nice, and I regret not buying one when they were only £400-500 on the used market. Just never saw a 4 string in a colour I liked (at the time).
Yup. Great basses made by Status as well.
Has anyone compared the Trace Elliot ELF 2x8 to the Phil Jones Bass C4 cabinets?
Interested in any & all general info & impressions comparing these two.
Thanks!
Interested in any & all general info & impressions comparing these two.
Thanks!
Not side by side, but I have a C2 and have played the Elf 2x8. The PJB cabs have much better bottom end, I would guess the C2 is quieter than the Elf, but would expect the C4 to be pretty close to the Elf, volume wise.
Yeah, TE shows the 2x8 down 6 dB at 62Hz.
I haven't seen any data on the C4, but reports are that they handle low 'B' pretty well.
Efficiency isn't stated on either if I recall correctly, but both are designed to be used with lower powered amps (relatively speaking), yet both show rated for 400WRms (which is probably not measured at lower frequencies).
Thanks very much for the info!
AFAIK the ELF is loaded with a pair of 16 ohm Faital 8PR200.
8PR200 (16Ω) by FaitalPRO
FaitalPRO combined the latest R&D methods and technologies with the most advanced industrial automation techniques and all FaitalPRO drivers are made in Italy with the highest level of quality, consistency and durability.
Sensitivity for one 8PR200 is listed as 94dB 1W/1m. So a pair should be about 97dB 1W/1m
I looked at the freq. response curves, as well, not much below 70Hz.AFAIK the ELF is loaded with a pair of 16 ohm Faital 8PR200.
8PR200 (16Ω) by FaitalPRO
FaitalPRO combined the latest R&D methods and technologies with the most advanced industrial automation techniques and all FaitalPRO drivers are made in Italy with the highest level of quality, consistency and durability.faitalpro.com
Sensitivity for one 8PR200 is listed as 94dB 1W/1m. So a pair should be about 97dB 1W/1m
Thank you for the link!
The low frequency response will vary with the cabinet design, so the raw response plot is not indicative of how the driver performs in the ELF 2x8. AFAIK raw response curves are developed with the driver essentially mounted on a flat panel in an anechoic room.
Not sure if most companies use the same or similar procedure, but you may find this page informative.
What is a Frequency Response Chart? | Jensen Loudspeakers
Here's an example using the Eminence 3015LF (for convenience). The charts are not scaled the same, so I aligned them at 100hz. The top chart is the raw response plot for the 3015LF. The bottom plot is the 3015LF in a 6.651 cu ft enclosure tuned to 38hz.