NBD - Counterfeit Ric 4004LK

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That's fine but this thread is clearly an exercise in trolling as in......"And now for the shot that will enrage many of you"
O.P. is free to do what he likes with his money but these threads are simply insulting to anyone that works in this industry. Using TB as a promotional tool for counterfeits isn't the intent here but it's the end result and the real winner is AliBaba who get free advertising and glowing testimonials from dupes like the O.P.

I don't see it as trolling. It's a NBD post. The bass in question is counterfeit Ric. The name on the TRC is a feature that is very relevant to the discussion, in my opinion. I didn't post the picture (or the thread) to enrage anybody. But I understand that it will (and did), and so made a proactive comment to acknowledge that.

I don't know how I was duped. I paid for, and received, what I expected, for the price that I expected. Maybe you can elaborate on how I was duped.

I think that's where we get into the prohibition against insulting other TB members. There is an entire thread (Club Rickenfaker) dedicated to the discussion of Ric clones, maybe that was a better place to discuss this, but since it's allowed by TB rules, people just have to suck it up and accept that not everyone agrees on this issue. Welcome to real life.
Club RickenFaker / FakenBacker - Show Your Fake Rics!

There is a thread on white basses as well. When I bought a white bass, I made a NBD post about it. That seemed appropriate. I didn't feel obligated to keep my NBD news to the white bass thread.

I think that the concept of NBD is pretty well established and it's fair to post about ANY new bass, regardless of whether or not there is an existing thread dealing with that particular type of bass.
 
I hate white basses. Everyone should hate white basses. It enrages me that other people like white basses. Anybody who owns a white bass and insists on talking about it is a Troll! Open discussion of white basses should be banned on TB!!! (Unless they have tort guards, then it’s ok, because I like tort) :D

Only a tort pickguard? Amateur...

My bass is made 100% out of tort, even the strings.
 
I hate white basses. Everyone should hate white basses. It enrages me that other people like white basses. Anybody who owns a white bass and insists on talking about it is a Troll! Open discussion of white basses should be banned on TB!!! (Unless they have tort guards, then it’s ok, because I like tort) :D
Nope, white pickguard, too!
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Folks, before anyone gets more overheated about the implications of this purchase, let me offer some information. The standard for infringement is likelihood of confusion among the buying public. This OP knew going in that he was purchasing a knock off and titled his post "Counterfeit Ric," confirming his lack of confusion. So, no harm to this buyer. Now, the question is whether this product harms the manufacturer or the buying public at large. A new Rick goes for about $2K. Anything new that's represented as genuine but that's priced significantly less than list price is understood not to be genuine. (In court this is sometimes established with survey evidence.) Similarly, when you see a new Rolex sold on the street for $200 you know it's a fake. So, as a rule, only the unjustifiably uninformed buyer would consider this product to be made by Rickenbacker. Other mitigating factors are that this product resembles the genuine article only in shape; other critical elements (pickups, bridge, electronics, tuner, finish etc.) are clearly off the mark. Again, low likelihood of confusion among the purchasing public. But for the superfake TRC this would hardly be an issue.

Now we turn to potential harm to the manufacturer. Does the sale of this product interfere with Rickenbacker's ability to sell its own products? Is there confusion in the marketplace? In this instance I'd argue against it. Everyone knows what Rics cost, and where they come from. Here the product is offered from an overseas vendor. The target purchasers for this vendor are people who might like, but cannot afford, the real item. This suggests that Rickenbacker customers are not going to have their heads turned by this cheaper option. The ONLY issue that would be offensive--which is NOT indicated by the OP's comments-- would be someone importing a number of these knockoffs and trying to sell them in the US as legitimate. This would be pretty hard to do considering how they're configured. I do agree that the "Made in the USA" TRC is clearly trademark infringement but, in the OP's case, he understands he bought a counterfeit item.

As for notifying Rickenbacker; every major company has a staff of in-house attorneys or has a retained one (like me) on speed dial to deal with counterfeits or even gray market goods. This won't come as news to them.

As to the TB member that insulted the OP, you're entitled to your opinion but it's not one that was appropriately expressed, especially where the point you're trying to make is counter-indicated by his posts and the general features of this product.
If I have a real Ric, can I legally swap out the original TRC for a TRC that reads: ‘First Act’?
 
If I have a real Ric, can I legally swap out the original TRC for a TRC that reads: ‘First Act’?

Yes, of course. If you own the instrument you can modify it however you like. You can also sell it under the right of first sale doctrine. You must advertise it as a genuine Rickenbacker that's been upgraded with a custom TRC. Since you'll likely have to hire an experienced tech to do the mod, be sure to charge an absurd premium. Then sell the Ric TRC on eBay for a huge sum, which is also permissible under the right of first sale doctrine. You can mail the check to my office.
 
Yes, of course. If you own the instrument you can modify it however you like. You can also sell it under the right of first sale doctrine. You must advertise it as a genuine Rickenbacker that's been upgraded with a custom TRC. Since you'll likely have to hire an experienced tech to do the mod, be sure to charge an absurd premium. Then sell the Ric TRC on eBay for a huge sum, which is also permissible under the right of first sale doctrine. You can mail the check to my office.
If I own a genuine Ric TRC, and I attach it to a knock-off Ric like the OP’s, can I legally sell the TRC (with bass attached) for $500?
[Shipping Free Pickup, of course.]
 
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If I own a genuine Ric TRC, and I attach it to a knock-off Ric like the OP’s, can I legally sell the TRC (with bass attached) for $500?
[Shipping Free Pickup, of course.]

Absolutely. In that instance you'd list it as a genuine Ric TRC with bonus accessories. Namely, a knock off bass. Unfortunately, you already owe me $500 for my last response.
 
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As a Faker owner, I must admit that I don't see the point of putting a Ric branded TRC on. It's not a Ric, so why pretend it is? Find someone somewhere who can make a replacement TRC with your own customised logo.

As for people trying to sell Fakers as the genuine article, then that is plain fraud... HOWEVER, if the buyer is after a genuine Rickenbacker, then they should have done some research on them. Thanks to Paul Boyer's book, there's a raft of info out there on the genuine article, it only takes a few minutes on Google to do a search. Buying a Rickenbacker is not something someone "stumbles" into blindly.
 
To further muddy the waters to the standard soupy grey of modern American life, I have seen a Chinabacker, complete with fake Ric TRC, for sale in a Pawnshop for $400. They clearly didn’t give a sh*t if some poor sap bought it thinking it was real, but the asking price would seem to indicate they knew it was fake. Ever the Helpful Citizen, I pointed the obvious fakery out to the counter flunky, and received the obligatory shrug. I’m sure there is no shortage of fake Fenders or Rolexes in a place like that, and given the relative production outputs over many years, a fake Fender is a hell of a lot more common. The notion that any given counterfeit bass WILL be resold to some dupe is equally silly. When I was building my first Ric clone, and naively asked for advice on Rickresource, I was met with accusations of “forgery”, and told that my bass WOULD be pawned off as real by my descendants, or some future owner. Amazing crystal ball action. I think I could spot a fake Ric at 10 feet, but lots of people can’t, I’d be easily fooled by a convincing Fender faker. When in doubt, post it on TB!
 
To further muddy the waters to the standard soupy grey of modern American life, I have seen a Chinabacker, complete with fake Ric TRC, for sale in a Pawnshop for $400. They clearly didn’t give a sh*t if some poor sap bought it thinking it was real, but the asking price would seem to indicate they knew it was fake. Ever the Helpful Citizen, I pointed the obvious fakery out to the counter flunky, and received the obligatory shrug. I’m sure there is no shortage of fake Fenders or Rolexes in a place like that, and given the relative production outputs over many years, a fake Fender is a hell of a lot more common. The notion that any given counterfeit bass WILL be resold to some dupe is equally silly. When I was building my first Ric clone, and naively asked for advice on Rickresource, I was met with accusations of “forgery”, and told that my bass WOULD be pawned off as real by my descendants, or some future owner. Amazing crystal ball action. I think I could spot a fake Ric at 10 feet, but lots of people can’t, I’d be easily fooled by a convincing Fender faker. When in doubt, post it on TB!
You raise an important point: If you want a fake Ric, get it from China because if you get it here, you won’t know what you are getting.
 
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OP, I think you did great! Given the price and availability of any old run of the mill RIC here in Canada (well over 2K+ with tax) and the significantly small number of used RICs as well, you saved yourself a lot of coin and got what you want.
I think the truss cover is awesome, but if it were me, I would have issue with the white nut! Black would be so much cooler!
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