NBD - Counterfeit Ric 4004LK

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OP, I think you did great! Given the price and availability of any old run of the mill RIC here in Canada (well over 2K+ with tax) and the significantly small number of used RICs as well, you saved yourself a lot of coin and got what you want.
I think the truss cover is awesome, but if it were me, I would have issue with the white nut! Black would be so much cooler!
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You point out another good reason to avoid pawn shop fake Rics: No customization.
Here though, the OP can use a black sharpie to change the color. Tape off the fretboard and use a MIA sharpie to prevent ink run off. Painters tape works well but only use tape made on the west coast because east coast weather adversely affects the adhesive which might cause the fretboard to peel.

Stew-Mac has the supplies you need, but they’re a bit expense. Check Alibaba as well.
 
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What's wrong with MIC Sharpies??? ;) :D
The MIJ ones from the late 80’s are probably the best, if you can find them. I was looking for some recently because I have an unbranded 80’s bass with what appears to be Bob Dylan’s partial signature on the headstock. If I can find those specific markers, I might be able to complete the signature and it might be virtually undetectable. Could be worth big bucks in my local CL market.
 
So you judged a bass on how it sounds when it was being played by a hack. It's a wonder you managed to find your own sound when judging the worth of an object by how it sounded through another person's signal chain.... not to mention their hands.

are you telling me you've never been at a show and thought "damn, that guy sounds good, I wonder what he's playing?" that you just blind your eyes to whatever's on the headstock and make a pure, unbiased assessment? then just... guess?

no. that's not how things work. we all have personal biases and dispositions, conscious or otherwise. that's literally how everything works. my mother made terrible brussel sprouts, so all my life I avoided them. now... ok that was a bad example, brussel sprouts are objectively terrible. but you get my point.

what we perceive influences how we feel about things. it's as simple as that. even if you KNEW the guy rockin' the rick' was a bad bass player, your opinion of their instruments would be slightly diminished because you've seen they're capable of bad things. conversely, if you saw a great player with a fake who sounded terrible, you'll be suspicious any time something doesn't sound quite "right," which also hurts the brand.

but to concede a point, no, I haven't found "my sound." I've found a multitude of sounds, useful in different situations. but I doubt I'll ever be totally satisfied, which I would venture to guess is the norm. otherwise we'd all own just one bass. hell, even Anthony f'ing Jackson is still refining his instrument, some 30 years on. but thanks for trying to diminish my ear.

To further muddy the waters to the standard soupy grey of modern American life, I have seen a Chinabacker, complete with fake Ric TRC, for sale in a Pawnshop for $400. They clearly didn’t give a sh*t if some poor sap bought it thinking it was real (...)

and that's a bingo. unless you have 100% control over who views you instrument, and make sure it dies with you, it's going to end up in the wild. of course anything "too good to be true" should be treated with suspicion, but that's assuming a level of knowledge that, quite frankly, a lot of musicians don't have. or retailers. I once came across an Ibanez Gem in a pawn shop that was like, $400. confused, I called up an old coworker of mine. for some context, he was on the spectrum, and had the entire Ibanez parts catalog memorized, to the point where it was sometimes difficult just to get the name of things, not the part number. anyways, I sent him a bunch of photos, he told me some things to check out, ran the serial number, and it was 100% legit. I tried to tell the staff, but they swore that their "guitar guy" said it was fake, so it must have been. now, I live in a town of about 4,000 people, and there's one music shop within a 30 mile radius. the owner of that shop couldn't find his butt with both hands as he was defecating. now, there's some unfortunate sap out there thinking he's playing a cheap fake and has no idea of the real value. I'm sure the shop lost its shirt on that deal.

need any more proof? look at how many people in this thread didn't even know they made a lemmy bass. and we're supposed to be the experts.

my point is that by buying counterfeit products you're not just getting a bass on the cheap, you're f'ing up the whole market by enabling criminal behavior that impacts far more people than you. again, I have no problem with "tribute" style instruments. I mean, christ, how many scroll basses have you seen? Carl's getting pretty freakin' old, yet that style seems to keep growing unabated. but these need to be represented as what they are. a unique product based on someone else's design/IP. dressing it up as the real thing is fraud, and it screws every level of the market.

namaste.
 
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I read a lot of people here telling Hall what he is doing wrong, and what he could do better. I also don't see any bass brand here with as strong brand loyalty, or as many people who want one, even if they never have touched one.

Compared to Gibson, I've never heard of any financial troubles at Rickenbacker. Their fortress mentality seems to serve them quite well. When the going gets tough they can always fall back on churning out Jetglo, Mapleglo and Fireglo 4003 basses and simplify production to that.

All the apparent experts claim that Gibson are in a mess because they charge too much for instruments. A lot of guitarists seem to feel that Gibson deserve this mess because of their pricing structure. Rather it seems that they got in a mess when they invested in headphones and other audio technology. Rickenbacker haven't redesigned themselves as a 'lifestyle' brand in the way Gibson has.

As I've said before, nobody is really building basses that sound like Rickenbackers. Bassists seem to be away on the wrong track, as a rule. A few want to know how to make a Jazz Bass sound like a 4003, but the rest are settling for Rickenbacker copies that echo the look of the basses, rather than the tone. There is no secret to what makes a 4003 sound like it does, and you could copy the basic premise of the aspects that shape the tone; only nobody does.
 
That's fine but this thread is clearly an exercise in trolling as in......"And now for the shot that will enrage many of you"
O.P. is free to do what he likes with his money but these threads are simply insulting to anyone that works in this industry. Using TB as a promotional tool for counterfeits isn't the intent here but it's the end result and the real winner is AliBaba who get free advertising

Come on. Really? Please take one of these.

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are you telling me you've never been at a show and thought "damn, that guy sounds good, I wonder what he's playing?" that you just blind your eyes to whatever's on the headstock and make a pure, unbiased assessment? then just... guess?

no. that's not how things work. we all have personal biases and dispositions, conscious or otherwise. that's literally how everything works. my mother made terrible brussel sprouts, so all my life I avoided them. now... ok that was a bad example, brussel sprouts are objectively terrible. but you get my point.

what we perceive influences how we feel about things. it's as simple as that. even if you KNEW the guy rockin' the rick' was a bad bass player, your opinion of their instruments would be slightly diminished because you've seen they're capable of bad things. conversely, if you saw a great player with a fake who sounded terrible, you'll be suspicious any time something doesn't sound quite "right," which also hurts the brand.

but to concede a point, no, I haven't found "my sound." I've found a multitude of sounds, useful in different situations. but I doubt I'll ever be totally satisfied, which I would venture to guess is the norm. otherwise we'd all own just one bass. hell, even Anthony f'ing Jackson is still refining his instrument, some 30 years on. but thanks for trying to diminish my ear.



and that's a bingo. unless you have 100% control over who views you instrument, and make sure it dies with you, it's going to end up in the wild. of course anything "too good to be true" should be treated with suspicion, but that's assuming a level of knowledge that, quite frankly, a lot of musicians don't have. or retailers. I once came across an Ibanez Gem in a pawn shop that was like, $400. confused, I called up an old coworker of mine. for some context, he was on the spectrum, and had the entire Ibanez parts catalog memorized, to the point where it was sometimes difficult just to get the name of things, not the part number. anyways, I sent him a bunch of photos, he told me some things to check out, ran the serial number, and it was 100% legit. I tried to tell the staff, but they swore that their "guitar guy" said it was fake, so it must have been. now, I live in a town of about 4,000 people, and there's one music shop within a 30 mile radius. the owner of that shop couldn't find his butt with both hands as he was defecating. now, there's some unfortunate sap out there thinking he's playing a cheap fake and has no idea of the real value. I'm sure the shop lost its shirt on that deal.

need any more proof? look at how many people in this thread didn't even know they made a lemmy bass. and we're supposed to be the experts.

my point is that by buying counterfeit products you're not just getting a bass on the cheap, you're f'ing up the whole market by enabling criminal behavior that impacts far more people than you. again, I have no problem with "tribute" style instruments. I mean, christ, how many scroll basses have you seen? Carl's getting pretty freakin' old, yet that style seems to keep growing unabated. but these need to be represented as what they are. a unique product based on someone else's design/IP. dressing it up as the real thing is fraud, and it screws every level of the market.

namaste.

And yet, this is a NBD thread, and the purpose of such is to celebrate new basses that members of this site have purchased/received.

It's not an "I'm soliciting your very wordy opinion about morality" thread. Those aren't all that popular, for some reason.
 
And yet, this is a NBD thread, and the purpose of such is to celebrate new basses that members of this site have purchased/received.

It's not an "I'm soliciting your very wordy opinion about morality" thread. Those aren't all that popular, for some reason.

Didn't know you were makin' the rules. So if someone posts a thread about how they stole their new bass from a blind orphan, we have to applaud?

I'm happy he/she got a new bass. I'm not happy about the bass he/she got.
 
The O.P. asked for the 'shade' to be thrown on him so I hucked some. Soliciting opinions comes with the territory here.
His statement that he would never represent it as anything other than what it is doesn't jibe with what it is.
I couldn't care less how people spend their money. I just believe that T.B. shouldn't encourage the market for counterfeit guitars which these threads do. That's all. Just an opinion which I stand behind just as others stand behind theirs.
 
Didn't know you were makin' the rules. So if someone posts a thread about how they stole their new bass from a blind orphan, we have to applaud?

I'm happy he/she got a new bass. I'm not happy about the bass he/she got.

I don't make rules.

I also don't care what anyone is happy about on a NBD thread, other than the person who got a new bass.

I mean, I really don't care.

I have never even come close to matching the level of not caring, and I know a lot of posters feel the same way.

I realize some posters agree with you. So that's the beauty of the internet forum.

People post opinions.
 
I don't make rules.

I also don't care what anyone is happy about on a NBD thread, other than the person who got a new bass.

I mean, I really don't care.

I have never even come close to matching the level of not caring, and I know a lot of posters feel the same way.

I realize some posters agree with you. So that's the beauty of the internet forum.

People post opinions.

You really don't care, but yet you keep responding.
 
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